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NYT: The Afghanistan War Logs

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07.25.2010 at 11:33pm

The War Logs: “An archive of classified military documents offers an unvarnished view of the war in Afghanistan” – New York Times.

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IntelTrooper

Hmmn… I honestly don’t know how to feel about this.

GI Zhou

Since when did Secret become a ‘relatively low level of classification’.

Anonymous

Is this the Pentagon Papers of the Afghan War?

Rex Brynen

Anon:

They seem more like the anti-Pentagon Papers, since they reveal that the official and media portrait of the war has been–within the confines of OPSEC, the normal political spin, and the fog of war–accurate. There are, so far, no big surprises or scandals.

As to the intelligence and war-fighting consequences of the leak, it provides the Taliban with unparalleled information on what ISAF knows, doesn’t know, and often how it knows it too. Its likely to have a chilling effect on intelligence cooperation and sharing too, within and across governments.

GI Zhou:

You’re absolutely right–Secret isn’t a “low level of classification”. Indeed, it is very much the working level of classification, because once you get into TS and TS/SCI you risk dysfunctionally narrowing who can read the material.

Anon

Where in the hell was the CIA? Wikileaks was known to be in possession of classified material in violation of U.S. and NATO country laws well before this release. They should have been stopped before what is probably the largest release of classified material during a war in history. Can you imagine what would have happened during WWII or even the “cold war” if something like this had occurred?

Troufion

I know when I recieved a clearance I signed a lot of docs stating the consequences of leaking classified info. When are we going to prosecute these fools? Then again as an old friend told me once the US just cannot keep a secret anymore, everyone wants their moment. Sad, I just hope no troops get hurt because of this.

subrosa

there are some surprises like they sell alcohol in markets of north waziristan.

subrosa

the fact that this was actually leaked is just incredible. lets see how the pakistan govt. reacts to this now that it is in the public domain.

rh

Issues like Kamdesh or Wanat..we know…and alot has been discussed on issues like placement, support and strategy.

On issues like “Are the PRT’s really providing the “success metric” in support of the hearts and minds component of the Afghan mission…these reports provide a window into success or failure.

These reports magnify the tremendous difficulty in fighting a war and at the same time attempting to win the support of the people…(did someone say RVN?).

With support from elements within the ISI and no doubt support from Iran on their particular area of Iran-AFghanistan…this results in issues far beyond the PRT initiative, training the ANA or ANP..and moreover the Afghan people identifying with a non-overtly corrupt central government in Kabul.

We are now approaching the longest war in American history…and frankly, it does not look too good..and perhaps all we can really do is to provide overwatch at a distance to stop terrorist training camps from again being the central focus on US interest at home or abroad. Or..was that the initial mission back in 2002-2003.

gian p gentile

Rex:

Agree; Like the Pentagon papers, but not really. I would only add to your points about this historical reference that another key difference is the general apathy of the American public toward the war in Afghanistan compared to the moral connection between the American people and war during Vietnam because of the draft.

Unlike the Pentagon Papers that resonated months and years and even beyond after they were released, these wikileaks on Afghanistan will be front page for a day or two then swept into the dustbin of history where the only folks interested will be wonks, experts, historians doing current history, and military bloggers.

gian

Tom

Gain…..

and other groups that will be interested, Taliban/AQ!

duck

Anon at 11:08:

See United States v. New York Times

http://www.oyez.org/cases/1970-1979/1970/1970_1873/

Kevin Raffay

Yes, this is like the Pentagon Papers Redux. The details of any war are not pretty.

Anonymous