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Kerry Expresses U.S. Concerns About Russian Moves in Syria

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09.06.2015 at 03:42pm

Kerry Expresses U.S. Concerns About Russian Moves in Syria

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Secretary of State John Kerry expressed U.S. concern about reports of Russia's enhanced military buildup in Syria in a telephone call Saturday with his Russian counterpart, the State Department said.

"The secretary made clear that if such reports were accurate, these actions could further escalate the conflict, lead to greater loss of innocent life, increase refugee flows and risk confrontation with the anti-ISIL coalition operating in Syria," the department said, using an acronym for the Islamic State group.

Kerry and Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov agreed that discussions on the Syrian conflict would continue in New York later this month, the department said.

The New York Times reported that Russia has sent a military advance team to Syria and was taking other steps that Washington fears may signal plans to vastly expand its military support for President Bashar al-Assad.

The Times reported the moves included the recent movement of prefabricated housing units for hundreds of people to a Syrian airfield and the delivery of a portable air traffic control station there.

Russian President Vladimir Putin said Friday that his country was providing "serious" training and logistical support to the Syrian army, the first public confirmation of the extent of Russia's involvement in the Syrian civil war.

Western governments and human rights groups have accused both Syrian government forces and those of the jihadist Islamic State group of large-scale human rights violations.

Putin said it was "premature" to discuss possible direct Russian involvement in military operations against IS in Syria, but that Russia was providing Damascus with "very serious support and equipment, and training of military personnel, weapons."

On Thursday, White House spokesman Josh Earnest said Washington was "closely monitoring" reports that Moscow had deployed military personnel and aircraft to Syria.

"Any military support to the Assad regime for any purpose, whether it's in the form of military personnel, aircraft supplies, weapons or funding, is both destabilizing and counterproductive," Earnest said.

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Outlaw 09

If one is to believe the lead article in the Israeli Haaretz from today–the US is just delivering lip service and there is really nothing behind this statement basically because the Russians and the US share the same goal of not toppling Assad.

Putin’s Military Build-up in Syria Could Be a Game-changer for Israel
Now that the U.S. isn’t aiming to topple him, and Russia and Iran are increasing their support, Assad has better chances of stabilizing his defense.
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.674779

The second thing is that this lip service came rather late–after a number of US government statements that they had little information on the matter thus could not state anything.

Then social media unleashed a barrage of Russian selfies, VK photos and videos that proved beyond a doubt that Russian combat troops have been fighting in Syria since at least April 2015.

THEN we get this press statement.

If one really pays attention to US announcements like this–notice that after the recent dust up between the Russian FM and the KSA FM where Lavrov basically called him a blooming idiot in nice words for stating to the world press that for the KSA–the removal of Assad is a demand as they see him as the problem.

NOT a single response by Kerry, the DoS in general and or Obama.

That dust up was totally out of the realm of diplomatic norms.

Bill M.

The current refugee crisis is due to the greatest humanitarian disaster of the 21st century to date. Assad by far is the major culprit, but every country on both sides providing military aid all have dirty hands in prolonging the disaster. The aid is not decisive and no one beyond amateur pundits has any clue what will happen the morning after Assad. It would be interesting to hear Israel’s take on what right looks like, but probably wise for them to hold their cards close, since they’ll be there for the long game.

Outlaw 09

And Kerry and the entire DoS and NSC did not know about this???

Since Russia’s role in Syria is in the news, might interest >> Russian Intelligence and the War In Syria (OCT 2014)

http://goo.gl/7gDMCU

That is the hypocrisy seen in the DoS statement—all knew– but when one is driving on a legacy rocking the boat is not a foreign policy as it would rock exactly the legacy one is trying to create.

OR is there any other explanation that when red lines were crossed even in the last months nothing, absolutely no action was taken, when barrel bombs were dropped that were designed by Iran nothing was said even when those barrel bombs contained chlorine gas, when over 7000 air strikes were conducted by the Assad AF against largely civilian targets nothing was said–when a no fly zone which would have stopped those 7000 air strikes was denied as being ineffective—AND it is not about legacy?

BUT then when the TOW hunter killer teams showed up and effectively flipped the course of the fighting on it’s head—nothing was said.

If one is willing to flow TOWs into the battlespace then a no fly zone is a breeze.

But it did not happen–as rocking the Russian boat was apparently to dangerous for this administration and their NSC.

Outlaw 09

Bill C—see the hypocrisy between the Kerry statement and the Larvov statements????

http://uatoday.tv/news/reuters-russi…ti-488980.html …

Russian weaponization of information at work.

In the face of literally tens of Russian military social media entries, photos and videos Russian troops have been fighting in Syria since at least April 2015 or sooner ie Feb/Mar 2015 –Russia releases this press release.

Russia Says Its Arms Deliveries to Syria Aimed at Fighting Terrorism: RIA Novosti

By REUTERS

SEPT. 7, 2015, 5:18 A.M. E.D.T.

MOSCOW — Russia has never concealed the fact that it has been supplying military equipment to Syria aimed at fighting terrorism, RIA Novosti news agency cited a foreign ministry spokeswoman as saying on Monday.

The agency, citing the ministry’s spokeswoman Maria Zakharova, also reported that Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov told U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry in a phone conversation it is “premature” to speak about Russia’s participation in military operations in Syria.

NOTICE Russia does not define the word terrorism in the press release–does it mean just IS, does it mean any anti Assad grouping, does it mean any and all other Islamists fighting in Syria against Assad, or does it mean Kurds?

Does this support with weapons and advisors extend to Hezbollah and Iranian mercenaries fighting along side Assad???

Does it mean also fighting against the Jordanian, Turkish and US trained anti Assad fighters inside Syria???

Does this also mean Russian fighter pilots and Russian drones will be flying over all of Syria as well???

Does it mean Russia acknowledges the massive refugee flows are directly contributed to by Russian weapons, bombs, fighters and Russian advisors in the GRU intel centers which have been directing Assad’s military operations along with IRGC????

Outlaw 09

Remember I mentioned here as did the Israeli Haaretz–the US ie Kerry is only paying lip service–it has been and is now all about the Obama legacy-not about a solid well thought through US foreign policy.

Obama has the weakest NSC in 40 plus years and he himself is starting to rival Wilsonian foreign policy.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini…395_story.html

The horrific results of Obama’s failure in Syria

By Michael Gerson

September 3 2015

One little boy in a red T-shirt, lying face down, drowned, on a Turkish beach, is a tragedy. More than 200,000 dead in Syria, 4 million fleeing refugees and 7.6 million displaced from their homes are statistics. But they represent a collective failure of massive proportions.

For four years, the Obama administration has engaged in what Frederic Hof, former special adviser for transition in Syria, calls a “pantomime of outrage.” Four years of strongly worded protests, and urgent meetings and calls for negotiation — the whole drama a sickening substitute for useful action. People talking and talking to drown out the voice of their own conscience. And blaming. In 2013, President Obama lectured the U.N. Security Council for having “demonstrated no inclination to act at all.” Psychological projection on a global stage.

Always there is Obama’s weary realism. “It’s not the job of the president of the United States to solve every problem in the Middle East.” We must be “modest in our belief that we can remedy every evil.”

But we are not dealing here with every problem or every evil; rather a discrete and unique set of circumstances: The largest humanitarian failure of the Obama era is also its largest strategic failure.

At some point, being “modest” becomes the same thing as being inured to atrocities. President Bashar al-Assad’s helicopters continue to drop “barrel bombs” filled with shrapnel and chlorine. In recent attacks on the town of Marea, Islamic State forces have used skin-blistering mustard gas and deployed, over a few days, perhaps 50 suicide bombers. We have seen starvation sieges, and kidnappings, and beheadings, and more than 10,000 dead children.

German Chancellor Angela Merkel has changed her country’s asylum rules to welcome every Syrian refugee who arrives. Syrians have taken to calling her “Mama Merkel, Mother of the Outcasts.” I wonder what they call the U.S. president.

At many points during the past four years, even relatively small actions might have reduced the pace of civilian casualties in Syria. How hard would it have been to destroy the helicopters dropping barrel bombs on neighborhoods? A number of options well short of major intervention might have reduced the regime’s destructive power and/or strengthened the capabilities of more responsible forces. All were untaken.

This was not some humanitarian problem distant from the center of U.S. interests. It was a crisis at the heart of the Middle East that produced a vacuum of sovereignty that has attracted and empowered some of the worst people in the world. Inaction was a conscious, determined choice on the part of the Obama White House. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, Defense Secretary Leon Panetta and CIA Director David Petraeus advocated arming favorable proxies. Sunni friends and allies in the region asked, then begged, for U.S. leadership. All were overruled or ignored.

In the process, Syria has become the graveyard of U.S. credibility. The chemical weapons “red line.” “The tide of war is receding.” “Don’t do stupid [stuff].” These are global punch lines. “The analogy we use around here sometimes,” said Obama of the Islamic State, “and I think is accurate, is if a JV team puts on Lakers uniforms, that doesn’t make them Kobe Bryant.” Now the goal to “degrade and destroy” the Islamic State looks unachievable with the current strategy and resources. “The time has come for President Assad to step aside,” said Obama in 2011. Yet Assad will likely outlast Obama in power.

What explains Obama’s high tolerance for humiliation and mass atrocities in Syria? The Syrian regime is Iran’s proxy, propped up by billions of dollars each year. And Obama wanted nothing to interfere with the prospects for a nuclear deal with Iran. He was, as Hof has said, “reluctant to offend the Iranians at this critical juncture.” So the effective concession of Syria as an Iranian zone of influence is just one more cost of the president’s legacy nuclear agreement.

Never mind that Iran will now have tens of billions of unfrozen assets to strengthen Assad’s struggling military. And never mind that Assad’s atrocities are one of the main recruiting tools for the Islamic State and other Sunni radicals. All of which is likely to extend a war that no one can win, which has incubated regional and global threats — and thrown a small body in a red T-shirt against a distant shore.

Outlaw 09

Now we see the Iranian non linear warfare coming into play–are we in fact now seeing Russian, Iranian and IS non linear warfare converging around a common theme—-anything anti US and disconnecting the US from the ME just as Russia is attempting to do in the Ukraine–disconnect the US from Europe???

https://now.mmedia.me/lb/en/NewsRepo…kies-to-israel

Published: 7/09/2015 01:54 PM

Pro-Hezbollah daily: Russia will close Syria’s skies to Israel

Al-Akhbar boasted that Tel Aviv will face “the predicament of a resistance region in southern Syria that has Russian cover.”

BEIRUT – A pro-Hezbollah daily has boasted that Russia’s widely expected military intervention in Syria will prevent Israel from conducting further airstrikes in the country.

A report in Lebanese daily Al-Akhbar said Monday that Russia’s “participation in fighting in Syria will have an escalatory effect,” especially on the strategic level, where it will be “considered a show of strength to Israel and Turkey.”

“Israel, having understood the message even before receiving it formally, has realized that Syrian skies will be closed to Israeli planes,” the newspaper claimed.

A flurry of reports have emerged in recent weeks that Russia has been dispatching large numbers of military advisors to Syria and is planning to set up an airbase in the Latakia province to conduct airstrikes on behalf of the Bashar al-Assad regime.

An unnamed US official told Reuters over the weekend that Washington has detected “worrisome preparatory steps” by the Russians that could signal the country “is readying deployment of heavy military assets” in Syria.

Al-Akhbar—which firmly supports Hezbollah—further said that Tel Aviv “will face the predicament of a resistance region in southern Syria that has Russian cover.”

Israel has conducted a number of airstrikes in the Golan in recent months, most recently on August 21 following a rocket attack on Israel. Hezbollah, meanwhile, has repeatedly vowed that it has been developing a “resistance front” in the border region to confront Israel.

Israel’s Haaretz newspaper also tackled the effect of Moscow’s expected intervention on Tel Aviv’s policymaking regarding Syria, where the Jewish State has conducted a number of reported strikes against shipments of advances weapons headed for Hezbollah in Lebanon.

“The entry of Russia into the Syrian arena changes the rules of this game,” Haaretz’s defense and military analyst Amos Harel wrote in an article published Sunday.

The leading Israeli military journalist added that “if Russia is dispatching its jet fighters and establishing a new military base in Syria, Israel will have to deal with new and different kinds of constraints, especially if the aircraft are equipped with Russian air-to-air missiles.”

“Increased Russian military presence in the region may demand that Israel’s military intelligence undertake more forceful efforts to deal with this development.”

Last week, Israeli daily Yedioth Ahronoth reported that Russia would begin dispatching thousands of military personnel to Syria, adding that that Moscow’s aerial operations on behalf of the Bashar al-Assad regime would “represent a challenge to the Israeli Air Force’s freedom of operation in the skies above the Middle East.”

Israel’s government has yet to make any official comment regarding the growing reports of Russia’s impending military intervention in Syria.

Outlaw 09

Even more evidence of the US lip service conducted by Kerry and his DoS.

Again goes to the heart of the dismal failure of any concept of a foreign policy by a President only interested in his legacy.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini…a3a_story.html

Obama’s Syria achievement

By Fred Hiatt Editorial page editor

September 6 at 7:06 PM

This may be the most surprising of President Obama’s foreign-policy legacies: not just that he presided over a humanitarian and cultural disaster of epochal proportions, but that he soothed the American people into feeling no responsibility for the tragedy.

Starvation in Biafra a generation ago sparked a movement. Synagogues and churches a decade ago mobilized to relieve misery in Darfur. When the Taliban in 2001 destroyed ancient statues of Buddha at Bamiyan, the world was appalled at the lost heritage.

Today the Islamic State is blowing up precious cultural monuments in Palmyra, and half of all Syrians have been displaced — as if, on a proportional basis, 160 million Americans had been made homeless. More than a quarter-million have been killed. Yet the “Save Darfur” signs have not given way to “Save Syria.”

One reason is that Obama — who ran for president on the promise of restoring the United States’ moral stature — has constantly reassured Americans that doing nothing is the smart and moral policy. He has argued, at times, that there was nothing the United States could do, belittling the Syrian opposition as “former doctors, farmers, pharmacists and so forth.”

He has argued that we would only make things worse — “I am more mindful probably than most,” he told the New Republic in 2013, “of not only our incredible strengths and capabilities, but also our limitations.”

He has implied that because we can’t solve every problem, maybe we shouldn’t solve any. “How do I weigh tens of thousands who’ve been killed in Syria versus the tens of thousands who are currently being killed in the Congo?” he asked (though at the time thousands were not being killed in Congo).

On those rare occasions when political pressure or the horrors of Syrian suffering threatened to overwhelm any excuse for inaction, he promised action, in statements or White House leaks: training for the opposition, a safe zone on the Turkish border. Once public attention moved on, the plans were abandoned or scaled back to meaningless proportions (training 50 soldiers per year, no action on the Turkish border).

Perversely, the worse Syria became, the more justified the president seemed for staying aloof; steps that might have helped in 2012 seemed ineffectual by 2013, and actions that could have saved lives in 2013 would not have been up to the challenge presented by 2014. The fact that the woman who wrote the book on genocide, Samantha Power, and the woman who campaigned to bomb Sudan to save the people of Darfur, Susan Rice, could apparently in good conscience stay on as U.N. ambassador and national security adviser, respectively, lent further moral credibility to U.S. abdication.

Most critically, inaction was sold not as a necessary evil but as a notable achievement: The United States at last was leading with the head, not the heart, and with modesty, not arrogance. “Realists” pointed out that the United States gets into trouble when it lets ideals or emotions rule — when it sends soldiers to feed the hungry in Somalia, for example, only to lose them, as told in “ Black Hawk Down,” and turn tail.

The realists were right that the United States has to consider interests as well as values, must pace itself and can’t save everyone. But a values-free argument ought at least to be able to show that the ends have justified the means, whereas the strategic results of Obama’s disengagement have been nearly as disastrous as the human consequences.

When Obama pulled all U.S. troops out of Iraq, critics worried there would be instability; none envisioned the emergence of a full-blown terrorist state. When he announced in August 2011 that “the time has come for President Assad to step aside,” critics worried the words might prove empty — but few imagined the extent of the catastrophe: not just the savagery of chemical weapons and “barrel bombs,” but also the Islamic State’s recruitment of thousands of foreign fighters, its spread from Libya to Afghanistan, the danger to the U.S. homeland that has alarmed U.S. intelligence officials, the refugees destabilizing Europe.

Even had Obama’s policy succeeded in purely realist terms, though, something would have been lost in the anesthetization of U.S. opinion. Yes, the nation’s outrage over the decades has been uneven, at times hypocritical, at times self-serving.

But there also has been something to be admired in America’s determination to help — to ask, even if we cannot save everyone in Congo, can we not save some people in Syria? Obama’s successful turning of that question on its head is nothing to be proud of.

Outlaw 09

If an American journalist can see this developing just why cannot Kerry, the entire 700 person NSC, and Obama see this coming at them???

The Russian Deployment To Syria Is About To Make Things Much Worse

15:06 (GMT)

The Interpreter’s editor-in-chief Michael Weiss has been following the Russian military deployment to Syria, and has written two articles assessing the evidence for The Daily Beast. On September 1, the size of Russia’s growing military presence in Syria was small but alarming:

On August 22, the Bosphorus Naval News website showed the Alligator-class Russian ship Nikolai Filchenkov, part of Russia’s Black Sea Fleet, two days earlier passing through Istanbul’s famed waterway en route to an unknown location in the Mediterranean (hint, hint).

But what was remarkable about the Filchenkov was that military equipment was visible on deck—namely, Kamaz trucks and, judging by the tarpaulin outlines, at least four BTR infantry fighting vehicles. (This doesn’t include any matériel that might have been stored in the ship’s below-deck cargo hold.)

On August 24, the Oryx Blog, which tracks military dynamics in the Middle East and North Africa, discovered that at least one BTR-82A had turned up in the coastal province of Latakia, where Syrian dictator Bashar al-Assad’s family hails from and which has lately been contested, impressively, by Jaysh al-Fatah, or the Army of Conquest, a collection of Islamist rebels groups including Jabhat al Nusra, the official al Qaeda franchise in Syria.

So important to Assad is fortifying Latakia against rebel assault that his regime has mounted a significant counteroffensive made up of the Syrian Arab Army, the praetorian Republican Guard, and the National Defense Force, a consortium of sectarian militias constructed, trained, and financed by Iran’s elite Revolutionary Guards Corps-Quds Force.

By September 5, however, evidence suggested that Russian troops were positioned at their naval base in Tartus and in their new deployment in Latakia, but also in Damascus. Russian airforce was also reportedly patrolling the skies of Syria’s northern Idlib province:

The opposition-linked website All4Syria seems to corroborate such eyewitness accounts. Many residents of Damascus, it claimed, have “observed in the first three days of September a noticeable deployment of Iranian and Russian elements in the neighborhoods of Baramkeh, al-Bahsa, and Tanzim Kfarsouseh.” The Venezia Hotel in al-Bahsa “has been turned into a military barracks for the Iranians.”

Such news comes amid a flurry of reports that Russia has made plans for a direct military intervention in Syria’s four-year civil war and may actually have started one already. The New York Times reported Saturday that Russia has sent prefabricated housing units, capable of sheltering as many as 1,000 military personnel, and a portable air traffic control station to another Syrian airbase in Latakia. That coastal province, the Assad family’s ancestral home, has already seen Russian troops caught on video operating BTR-82 infantry fighting vehicles against anti-Assad rebels, atop rumors that Moscow may be deploying an “expeditionary force,” including Russian pilots who would fly combat missions.

They may already be doing so. A social media account affiliated with the al-Qaeda franchise Jabhat al-Nusra posted images of what appeared to be Russian Air Force jets and drones flying in the skies of Syria’s northwest Idlib province. They were, specifically, the Mig-29 Fulcrum, the Sukhoi Su-27 Flanker, the Su-34 Fullback, and the Pchela-1T drone. These images were analyzed as credible by the specialist website The Aviationist, which also noted that “during the past days, Flightradar24.com has exposed several flights of a Russian Air Force… Il-76 airlifter (caught by means of its Mode-S transponder) flying to and from Damascus using radio call sign ‘Manny 6,’ most probably supporting the deployment of a Russian expeditionary force.”

As Weiss noted, the terrorist group ISIS is not in Idlib province — preliminary evidence suggests, then, that the Russian intention is not to kill terrorists but to combat all forces opposed to Syrian President Bashar al Assad, including moderate units which are nominally supported by the West:

Outlaw 09

Putin is now calling out Obama with his Syrian Express naval operation in full swing and the parallel airlift starting—–

Putin is going all-in for his boy Assad. To show Obama as weak, powerless, and unreliable. Because he can. He knows it. The world watches.

RU Foreign Ministry: “No, there are no RU soldiers in Syria, EU spreads this rumor and it is just as untrue as the rumors about Ukraine”

Notice the Russian weaponization of information at work–core of the Russian non linear warfare and the WH says absolutely nothing.

Haaretz.com ✔ @haaretzcom
WATCH: Russia holds military drill as experts in Syria inspect and expand air bases http://dlvr.it/C4v59P pic.twitter.com/5jmTFjpTNb

More Russian ships through the Bosphorous today https://twitter.com/YorukIsik/status/640922550546120708

More Russian ships covering their bulky cargo with tarps.

Built in Yantar Zavod in Kaliningrad, 50-year-old Saratov is equipped with bow and stern ramps for unloading vehicles pic.twitter.com/lqfbRamyCe

Tapir class Saratov 150 hoisted ‘Stay Clear of Me’ signal flag, on the Bosphorus pic.twitter.com/vgi2x2CS4x

BSF landing ship Saratov packed to the gunnels with military equipment en route to #Syria @bellingcat @IHS4DefRiskSec pic.twitter.com/Wnx7AmlBN3

SyrianExpress continues. Project 1171 BSF Alligator class landing ship Saratov 150 transits southbound Bosphorus pic.twitter.com/8gU1sCCMaz

Outlaw 09

Now the traditional not so subtle Russian nuclear threats—

BREAKING: #RUSSIA|N SUBMARINE WITH 20 ICBMs AND 200 #NUCLEAR WARHEAD IS SALING TO #SYRIA.

http://www.debka.com/article/24873/Russian-submarine-with-20-ICBMs-and-200-nuclear-warheads-is-sailing-to-Syria

Bill C.

The article that Outlaw provides below is very interesting. (See his — Outlaw 09 | September 8, 2015 – 4:35am — entry.)

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/08/world/europe/russia-answers-us-criticism-over-military-aid-to-syria.html?partner=rss&emc=rss&smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur&_r=0

The Russians seem to ask: What is the United States actually up to? What is its (the United States’) priority? Is it:

a. Dealing with terrorism — a la ISIS, AQ, etc.?

b. Or are we simply using our confrontations with terrorists/terrorism as a means to achieving our overriding/overarching political objective — of transforming outlying states and societies more along modern western political, economic and social lines — thereby, gaining greater power, influence and control in various regions of the world?

If the primary goal of the U.S. is defeating terrorists/terrorism, then the Russians — by their actions(?) — would seem to be saying that they are on board and that they are willing to help.

If, however, the primary goal of the U.S. is to:

a. Use the issue of terrorists/terrorism as

b. A means to decapitate regimes and transform outlying states and societies more along modern western lines, and to, thereby,

c. Gain greater power influence and control in various regions of the world. (For example, in areas of the world which the Russians consider their “sphere of influence”),

Then, does it make sense that the Russians would look favorably upon this such latter enterprise?

Thus, the Russian “presence” in the Russian boarder lands and in Syria:

a. Making their disapproval — of this latter initiative (which is how they “read” our anti-terrorism/Arab Spring-support efforts?) — very clear? And, also,

b. Begging the question — before all the world — of what is/are the United States’ true intentions, in the Middle East and elsewhere?

Outlaw 09

Bill C–this kind of sums up the current failure of American foreign policy by Obama, Kerry, the entire DoS and a 700 person NSC–heck even a three year old could actually probably do a better job.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/stantis/ct-russia-entering-syriawhat-could-go-wrong-20150908-story.html

By Scott Stantis

In an attempt to not crush the evil of ISIS, but rather to shore up the regime of the genocidal Bashar al-Assad, Vladimir Putin’s Russia is mobilizing for an intervention. However, never fear, Secretary of State John Kerry has issued a strongly worded condemnation. The Obama administration’s Syria policy in a nutshell. Be prepared to witness numerous red-lines-in-the-sand being crossed. ……..

Just how much more political embarrassment can a President create??

Hey if I was Putin I would reach for the moon right now as there is nothing coming now from the US other than words, words and more words.

Even Wilson in all his withdrawal phase period had at least a intellectual point of view on the subject of withdrawal from the world–we do not even have that from this administration.

Remember when he was asked about what the strategy was for countering the IS at the very beginning months ago???–he openly stated we have none and there has been none since that statement.

Outlaw 09

Bill C–
For those that do not believe there is an ideology to Putin’s actions TAKE note——-

http://debateolavodugin.blogspot.de/2011/07/dugins-conclusion.html
Tuesday, July 5, 2011

Dugin’s Conclusion
Against Post-Modern World

I would like, at the conclusion of this debate with Mr. Carvalho, to sum up the most important points:

Now I see that he was rather right in the beginning stressing that the asymmetry in our respective positions would eventually damage the whole task. So it was. I don’t see any use in continuing the mutual critics because it doesn’t help understand anything at all (for us and for the readers). I can now sincerely confess that I find the position of Mr. Carvalho too personal, idiosyncratic and irrelevant. So I would like to concentrate myself on other theoretical points that seem to me of real importance for the cause of the Tradition, of anti-imperialist and antimodern struggle that is my first and only concern.

First of all I insist that the current world is unipolar with the global West in its centre and with the United States as its core. The opposite arguments of Mr. Carvalho didn’t convince me at all.

This kind of the unipolarity has geopolitical and ideological sides. Geopolitically is the strategic dominance of the earth by North-American hyperpower and the effort of Washington to organize the balance of forces on the planet in such a manner to be able to rule the whole world in accordance with its own national (imperialistic) interests. It is bad because it deprives other states and nations of their real sovereignty.
When there is only one instance to decide who is right and who is wrong and who should be punished we have a kind of the global dictatorship.

I am convinced that is not acceptable. So we should fight against it. If someone deprives us from our freedom we have to react. And we will. The American Empire should be destroyed. And at one point it will be.
Ideologically the unipolarity is based on the Modernist and Post-Modernist values that are openly anti-traditional ones. I share the vision of Rene Guenon and Julius Evola who considered the Modernity and its ideological basis (the individualism, the liberal democracy, the capitalism, the comfortism and so on) to be the cause of the future catastrophe of the humanity and global domination of the Western attitudes as the reason of final degradation of the earth.

The West is approaching to its end and we should not let it push all the rest with it into the abyss.
Spiritually the globalization is the creation of the Grand Parody, the kingdom of the Antichrist. And the United States is in centre of its expansion.

The American values pretend to be “universal” ones. That it is new form of ideological aggression against the multiplicity of the cultures and the traditions still existing in the other parts of the world. I am resolutely against the Western values that are essential Modernist and Post-Modernist ones and promulgated by the United States by force or by the obtrusion (Afghanistan, Iraq, now Libya, tomorrow Syria and Iran) .

So, all traditionalists should be against the West and the globalization as well as against the imperialist politics of United States. It is the only logical and consequent position. So the traditionalists and the partisans of the traditional principles and values should oppose the West and defend the Rest (if the Rest shows the signs of the conservation of the Tradition – partly or entirely).

There can be and there are really men in the West and in the United States of America who don’t agree with the present state of things and don’t approve the Modernity and Post-Modernity being the defenders of the spiritual tradition of the Pre-Modern West. They should be with us in our common struggle. They should take part in our revolt against Modern World and Post-Modern world. And we would fight together against a common enemy.

Unfortunately that is not the case of Mr. Carvalho. He shows himself partly critical of the modern Western civilization, but partly agrees with it and attacks its enemies. It is a kind of “semi-conformism” so to say. It is frankly irrelevant and of no interest to me. There are friends and there are foes. Only that matters. All the rest is without any importance. Mr. Carvalho is neither. It is his choice. His anti-soviet and anti-Russian pejorative myths, stupid conspiracy theories, implicit cultural Western racism, the ressentiment to his own native country are not even worth of critics. No comments.

The other question is the structure of the possible anti-globalist and anti-imperialist front and its participants. I think that we should include in it all forces that struggle against the West, the United States, against the liberal democracy, against Modernity and Post-Modernity. The common enemy is the necessary instance for all kinds of political alliances. The Muslims, the Christians, the Russians and the Chinese, the leftists or the rightists, the Hindus or the Jews who challenge the present state of things, the globalization and the American imperialism are virtually friends ands allies.

Let our ideals be different but we have in common one very strong thing: the present reality that we hate. Our ideals that differ are potential (in potentia). But the challenge we are dealing with is actual (in actu). So that is the basis for new alliance. All who share negative analysis of the globalization, westernization and post-modernization should coordinate their effort in creation of new strategy of the resistance to the omnipresent evil. And we can find the «ours» in the United States also – among those who choose the Tradition against the present decadence. Mr Carvalho doesn’t belong to such kind of persons. He has convincingly explained that during the debate.

At this point we could raise a really important question: what kind of ideology should we use in our opposition to the globalization and its liberal democratic capitalist and Modernist (Post-Modernist) principles? I think that all anti-liberal ideologies (the communism, socialism as well as fascism) are not anymore relevant. They tried to fight the liberal-capitalism and they failed. Partly because in the end of time it is evil that prevails; partly because of their inner contradictions and limitations. So it is time to make the accomplish deep revision of the antiliberal ideologies of the past. What is their positive side? –

The very fact that they were anti-capitalist and anti-liberal, as well as also anti-cosmopolite and anti-individualist. So these features should be accepted and integrated in the future ideology. But the communism doctrine is Modern, atheist, materialist and cosmopolite. That should be thrown out. On the contrary, the social solidarity, social justice, the socialism and general holistic attitude to the society are good in themselves. So we need to separate the materialist and Modernist aspect and reject them.
On the other hand in the theories of Third way (dear up to certain point to some traditionalists as Julius Evola) there were some unacceptable elements – first of all racism, xenophobia and chauvinism. That is not only moral failures but also theoretically and anthropologically inconsistent attitudes.

The difference between the ethnos doesn’t mean superiority or inferiority. The difference should be accepted and affirmed without any racist appreciation. There is not common measure dealing with the different ethnic groups. When one society tries to judge the other it applies its own criteria and so commits the intellectual violence. The same attitude is precisely the crime of the globalization and Westernization, as well as the American imperialism.

Continued—and it goes on.

Outlaw 09

Bill C—notice more evidence of nothing but lip service by DoS Kerry—also further evidence of a lack of any strategic strategy whatsoever in the ME and to some degree confirms moves made by the WH are done so as to not damage the historical legacy.

This again proves we are in a deep Wilsonian withdrawal phase of US foreign policy to the point of hiding behind the Atlantic and Pacific “walls” and letting the rest of the world do what it wants following the mantra “a US President cannot resolve all the world’s problems”. But wait is that not what one gets a Nobel Peace prize for??

Appears as well that Obama, Kerry and the entire NSC fail to fully understand Putin’s three geo political goals which he just expanded to actually four.

1. discredit and damage NATO
2. discredit and damage the EU
3. totally disconnect the Us from Europe
NOW the fourth one–
4. totally disconnect the US from the ME

Michael Weiss

09.10.151:05 AM ET

Putin Sends His Dirty War Forces to Syria

The Kremlin isn’t sending just any troops to prop up the Assad regime. It’s dispatching units that spearheaded Russia’s slow-rolling invasion of Ukraine.

Reuters confirmed Wednesday what The Daily Beast first reported last week—not only have Russian troops been deployed to Syria but they are indeed taking part in active combat operations, although against which of the manifold enemies of the Assad regime remains unclear.

U.S. government sources told the news agency that two tank landing ships, aircraft and naval infantry forces have arrived in Syria in the past 24 hours, with the largest buildup occurring in Latakia, the northwest coastal province—ancestral home of the Assad family—which Islamist rebels have been fiercely contesting of late. Russia, Reuters confirmed, is constructing a new airfield in Latakia, which would represents its second military installation in Syria after its decades-old naval supply base in Tartus, also its only warm-water port since the end of the Soviet Union.

One U.S. intelligence official told The Daily Beast that Moscow likely taken the decision to directly intervene in the four-and-a-half-year civil war following opposition gains, contrary to what Vladimir Putin told reporters last week—that any such talk was “premature.”

“Russia’s military involvement raises a number of concerns, especially because it does not appear to be coordinated with the other countries operating in the area,” the official said. “It is not clear what Russian intends to actually do. However, Russia has generally not exercised restraint in military confrontations.”

A oft-cited fear in the U.S. is that Russia won’t target ISIS, or only ISIS, but also Free Syrian Army rebels who may be working with the CIA or Pentagon.

But what’s most interesting about this news isn’t that Putin has unilaterally decided to rescue his embattled client in Damascus—it’s the kind of Russian troops he’s using to do it. Some of them are from the same units that spearheaded Russia’s year-and-a-half-long dirty war in Ukraine, which may now be in abeyance.

“It is not clear what Russian intends to actually do. However, Russia has generally not exercised restraint in military confrontations.”

An investigation by Ruslan Leviev, a specialist in social-media intelligence, the soldiers are from the 810th Marine Brigade, which is based in Sevastopol, Crimea. The 810th is one of the few units of the Black Sea Fleet known to have played an active role in Russia’s military takeover of the Ukrainian peninsula 18 months ago.

The deployment of an elite unit from Crimea, which inaugurated Russia’s standoff with the West, is an intriguing choice. Moscow has spent enormous resources moving troops into Crimea and eastern Ukraine over the past year. Moving even some of them out of the area to a different conflict zone, particularly one outside of Europe, gives the lie that sanctions and diplomatic isolation have forced the Kremlin into compromise; rather, Russia appears ready and willing to take on multiple wars at once.

Doing so requires a delicate balancing of the ledger, however. Moscow’s belligerence in Syria coincided almost exactly with its (relative) enforcement of a year-old and serially violated ceasefire in Ukraine.

Not that the war in the Donbas has stopped completely. On Tuesday, the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe’s Monitoring Mission in Ukraine noted that in Schastye, a fulcrum town in Lugansk, one of the two regions occupied by pro-Russian rebels in east Ukraine, “16 explosions assessed as heavy artillery at a location south-west of its position” were recorded. Moreover, there were close to 100 more explosions registered in Donetsk City as “outgoing,” meaning fired by rebels. Oleksandr Turchynov, the secretary for Ukraine’s National Security and Defense Council, has said that the lull in fighting is a feint by Russia to build up materiel and troops behind the front-line in preparation for another big offensive, which, he said, could occur “at any time,” though Turchynov doesn’t expect this to happen before the three-week U.N. General Assembly in New York, which starts on September 15.

Indeed, as Reuters also reported today, Russia’s Defense Ministry is currently building a 6,000 square-meter military complex to house “3,500 soldiers, warehouses for rockets, artillery weapons, and other munitions” in Valuyki, a village about 15 miles away from Ukraine’s border. Bases such as these, NATO has alleged, are how Russia trains its proxies in Ukraine and keeps them steadily resupplied with tanks and anti-aircraft and radar guidance systems.

Also telling is Putin’s move to call a snap drill of a reported 95,000 troops in the Central Military District—and to mobilize assets for it, including attack helicopters, in the Southern Military District, which abuts Ukraine. Significantly, the exercise includes airborne and air transport forces.

The move comes just before the “Centre-2015” exercise, also to be held in the Central Military District, and also to include tens of thousands of troops. While such tests of readiness are not in themselves unusual in the Russian military, their effect is to give Russia a broad pool of forces able to move immediately, without having to provide any other explanation than, “It’s just an exercise.”

Putin previously called just such an exercise on February 26, 2014, creating a massive and ready military force just four days after he had decided on the annexation of Crimea. At that time, his Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu said almost exactly, “It’s just an exercise,” when questioned by observers.

Moreover, one of relatively few units from outside the Central Military District to be named as taking part in the drill is the 98th air-assault division based in Ivanovo, east of Moscow. Elements of the 98th are known (PDF) to have fought in Ukraine, and to have sustained significant losses there. It is thus not just highly-trained but battle-hardened. If Putin had decided to reinforce Russia’s combat presence in Syria quickly, the 98th would be a logical choice.

That Putin may be keeping one conflict frozen but oven-ready to start cooking another is also suggested in his diplomatic maneuvering and messaging in the last week. He has reportedly negotiated overflight rights to Syria for Russian military transport planes with Greece and with Iran and called for the creation of an “international coalition against terrorism and extremism,” to include the U.S., knowing that his definition of terrorism and extremism encompasses many American partners in Syria.

Furthermore, building up a garrison in Syria absent any coordination with Washington but coinciding with talk of future coordination is a hallmark of a KGB president looking to get the better of his counterparts: establish a fait accompli, then negotiate the terms of the West’s surrender to it.

Putin knows that the U.S. may be tacitly OK with seeing Russia directly safeguard “state institutions” in Damascus—i.e., the Syrian army and the security services responsible for the bulk of the country’ carnage—especially as ISIS creeps ever closer to the capital. He need only read U.S. newspapers, which cite anonymous White House officials objectively supporting Assad’s longevity, to glean as much. He also knows that calls for Russia to “stop arming and assisting and supporting Bashar al-Assad” can be met with an implied, “Yeah, yeah” because the U.S. will never come close to arming and support Assad’s opposition in a commensurate manner.

Finally, anti-Americanism is now a central plank of Russian foreign policy which depicts Russia as the only nation brave enough to stand up to American hegemony. Rebuffing and outfoxing Washington is a now a national pastime.

It was U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry, after all, who went to Sochi last May to cinch Putin’s assistance in reanimating the corpse of a Syria peace process—and ended up criticizing Ukraine’s President Petro Poroshenko, a putative U.S. ally, while there. Now Putin has returned the executive gratitude by redoubling his support for Assad, and daring the U.S. to stop him. That he has done so quickly, and with the help of the Islamic Republic—another anti-American regime he’s meant to be helping the U.S. constrain—is just the cherry on top.

As ever, the heads-I-win-tails-you-lose conundrum only pays off because the West is so willing to play along. Any number of European leaders have not so subtly indicated that they’d be quite happy to barter for an end to an older Russian war in Europe in exchange for a newer Russian war in the Middle East.

Outlaw 09

For those that think Putin does not have a strategy and is driving on that strategy both in the Ukraine and Syria–AND it is fully aimed at the US and NATO.

http://warontherocks.com/2015/09/put…han-you-think/
Putin’s Strategy is Far Better than You Think

New Russian threat against NATO and especially the US—notice how Putin applies pressure on Obama who he fully understands is reluctant to use hard power.

Maxim Tucker @MaxRTucker
#Russia to US: Talk to us in #Syria or risk ‘unintended incidents’. Ie Russian air defences shooting down NATO planes http://uk.mobile.reuters.com/article/idUKKCN0RB0ZL20150911?irpc=932

AND as always-in the background when Putin threatens Obama–the Russian nuclear threat.

#Russia sends world’s largest submarine, with 200 #nukes, to #Syria
http://osnetdaily.com/2015/09/russia-sends-worlds-largest-submarine-with-200-nukes-to-syria/ … …

Outlaw 09

Bill C–now we are finally seeing what I have written a number of times here and on the Ukraine war thread–Putin wants a completely new Yalta.

I would bet that his actions in the Ukraine and Syria are in fact designed to drive that conversation.

Question is will Obama cave and give him his new spheres of influence as he did in pressuring the Ukraine into unilateral appeasement moves with no reciprocal demands on Putin.

MFA Russia ✔ @mfa_russia
Russia called for development of dialogue on consolidating the Yalta-Potsdam system & the #UN Charter http://goo.gl/OpyJVZ @RF_OSCE

Outlaw 09

Bill C–retrenchment equals in the language of the old Cold War “isolationism” plane and simple.

This President has not had a single strategic strategy in place in the last six years—it is foreign policy by the flag pole–meaning I will react with a big R when the wind blows it in a direction–THEN I will make some statements, makes a few small moves and then PRAY.

Yes we cannot be the eternal policeman of the world but at some point it needs a grown up and right now that grown up runs from any responsibility.

I have been harping about Putin from the very moment he entered into Crimea as the existential threat to the US from day one and I have not wavered one bit from that estimate–Putin is not the old Soviet leadership who clearly understood the red lines and basically was interested in protecting the “Revolution”.

Putin is a fascist imperialist expansionist and that mixture we have not seen for a long long number of years and he is not afraid of going nuclear–remember he cancelled in fact MAD.

Coming into office he should have known this–not learning it from the newspapers–this NSC as I keep repeating is a total failure.

NO PLAN come on Bill even you must admit that is strange for a President and a 700 person NSC and the entire IC that has cost this country billions in the last 14 years to build.

Russia’s new air base in Syria has Obama scrambling for a plan, reports [/B]@joshrogin http://bv.ms/1JZRtnu via @BV

Outlaw 09

Maybe Kerry, Obama and the entire NSC should read this—-seems social media is far better informed about Russian military activities in Syria than the entire IC.

MEMRI published an in-depth review of Arab media reports on Russian military activities in Syria—one of the best collection of media reporting—-

http://www.memri.org/report/en/0/0/0/0/0/0/8750.htm

September 11, 2015 Inquiry & Analysis Series Report No.1184

Media Affiliated With Assad Regime Confirm Reports Of Russian Military Involvement In Syria

By: N. Mozes*

Outlaw 09

A very brutal assessment of the Obama failures in Syria—

http://english.alarabiya.net/en/views/news/middle-east/2015/09/12/Obama-has-a-heart-like-railroad-steel-on-Syria.html

Obama has a ‘heart like railroad steel’ on Syria

Saturday, 12 September 2015

Hisham Melhem

Former President George W. Bush bequeathed to Barack Obama a precarious and partially broken Arab World. A spectacularly ambitious imperial attempt at remaking the region, beginning in Mesopotamia, crumbled mightily in the inhospitable desert of Iraq.

The dream of planting a Jeffersonian democracy in the land of the two rivers, metamorphosed into an unprecedented sectarian bloodletting. Bush’s freedom agenda, coming after he admitted – correctly – that for more than fifty years U.S. administrations neglected human rights in the Middle East in the name of maintaining stability, the free flow of oil, and striking alliances against the Soviet Union, was ill-conceived, naively pursued, and badly executed.

Bush’s ‘War on Terrorism’ was equally flawed; Al-Qaeda was cut to pieces, but like the mythical Hydra it metastasized and produced the monstrous ‘Islamic State’ (ISIS). But hard as it is to conceive, President Obama will bequeath to his successor a breathtakingly pulverized – figuratively and, yes, physically – region, where in some states like Syria and Iraq whole communities have been uprooted and once great ancient cities have been ransacked, and precious cultural and religious jewels have been destroyed.

“The President will be judged as an accomplice in the historic betrayal of the Syrian people, and in the creation of the worst refugee problem in the Middle East in a century.”

There are no more streets in some Syrian cities; The Assad regime turned them into shallow valleys of broken concrete, twisted metal and shattered personal artifacts indicating that they were once full of life. If hell has streets, they will surely look like the streets of Syria’s cities today. It shall be written, that the words of a sitting American President in the second decade of the 21st century justifying his inaction and his inane silence in the face of the staggering savagery of the Syrian regime – which repeatedly used chemical weapons, barrel bombs, medieval sieges and starvation against his own people – were stunning in their moral vacuity. The President of the United States will be judged as an accomplice in the historic betrayal of the Syrian people – and, to a lesser extent, the Iraqi and Libyan peoples – and in the creation of the worst refugee problem in the Middle East in a century.

Whose responsibility is it anyway?

Surely, the primary responsibility for the agonies of the peoples of the Middle East lies in the hands of the political and cultural classes that inherited the new political structures erected in modern times by the colonial powers over the remnants of old civilizations.

True, European powers drew artificial boundaries – most countries have such borders – not taking into consideration the wishes of the affected peoples, whose promises were rarely honored. This left behind wounds that have yet to heal. But in subsequent years, the ideologues of Arab Nationalism and Political Islam, the military strongmen who perfected military coups along with some atavistic hereditary rulers maintained the ossified status quo or destroyed nascent and relatively open, diverse societies and representative forms of governance in countries like Egypt, Syria, Iraq and Tunisia.

However, Western meddling and military intervention contributed to the rise of Arab autocracy and despotism. The American invasion of Iraq did not cause sectarianism in that tortured land; that dormant scourge was awakened by years of Ba’athist despotism and Saddam Hussein’s decision to invade Iran in 1980.

But the way the American invasion was conceived and executed accelerated Iraq’s descent into the abyss. Hence America’s partial political and moral responsibility for Iraq’s current torment. President Obama’s eagerness to disengage himself and his administration from Bush’s Iraq burden explains his reticence to push for a residual force after 2011, or to seriously and personally continue to engage Iraqis and help those forces willing to live in a unitary civil state, his deafness to repeated warnings that former Prime Minister Nuri al Maliki’s sectarian policies were deepening the sectarian fissures, makes him a partial owner of Iraq’s chaos.

A red (like in blood) line

In neighboring Syria, decades of military rule, and Ba’athist tyranny that was punctuated by violent upheavals and dark periods of repression, gave way to a tremendous popular and peaceful uprising in the spring of 2011 following those in Tunisia and Egypt.

“Assad, Russia’s President Vladimir Putin, and the rulers of Iran took the measure of President Obama and they knew that they would get away with murder. And they did.”

The Assad regime responded by the application of gradual violence against a civilian movement calling for change, an end to the state of emergency, and political representation. Every qualitative violent escalation on the part of the Syrian regime – the use of the air force, barrel bombs, Scud missiles and chemical weapons – was taken after carefully watching and gaging Washington’s reaction. Assad, Russia’s President Vladimir Putin, and the rulers of Iran took the measure of President Obama and they knew that they would get away with murder. And they did, in Syria, Iraq and the Ukraine. In 2011 President Obama cavalierly called on Assad to ‘step aside’ without any serious thoughts to the options available to him after the inevitable ‘go ahead and make me’ that he was warned would come from Assad. During the deliberation that preceded the president’s call on Assad, a very experienced Syria expert cautioned against the move unless the President was willing to back his words with action. One young advisor to the President, his principle wordsmith, dismissed such prudent advice, saying with churlish arrogance betraying his own ignorance of Syria that Assad will soon be swept from power by the winds of the ‘Arab Spring’ just like Presidents Ben Ali in Tunisia and Mubarak in Egypt.

Unsheathing swords and cocking guns

For a President who defined his political career by words and speeches, Obama acts at times as if his words carry the power of actions. On his own initiative he drew a virtual red line for Assad in 2012, warning that his use of chemical weapons will mean that he has crossed that bloody line, a violation that will force the President to change his calculus.

It was supposed to be Assad’s Rubicon. Once again, the lisping tinhorn dictator of Syria (beautifully described by an astute American diplomat in a cable as the ‘self-proclaimed Pericles of Damascus’) paid no heed to the American President. In one attack in August 2013 against a suburb of Damascus more than 1400 Syrian civilians, many of them children, were killed by chemical weapons. The scorned President huffed and puffed and issued threats backed by dispatching military assets to the Syrian coasts. Then the President took a walk with another young advisor and supposedly saw the folly of delivering on his words, and once again he flinched. On August 31, 2013, another American day that should live in infamy, he informed a stunned world of his (in)decision. Mighty America shrunk on that day. The word of the American President was no longer the coin of the realm. One could imagine Putin’s smug smile, and almost hears Assad’s nervous loud laugh.

The Arabs of olden days used to say that an honorable man should not unsheathe his sword unless he intends to use it. For ordinary people this is unbecoming, like breaking your word or reneging on a promise. For a ruler it could be a fatal mistake. I remember after writing this observation that I was thrilled when I heard former Secretary of Defense Robert Gates in a televised interview saying that he warned President Obama about issuing threats if he is not ready to act upon them. Gates reminded the President of a saying in the old West; don’t cock the gun unless you are willing to pull the trigger.

“For a president who did not want to do ‘stupid stuff’ in foreign policy, his approach to Syria is akin to a case of criminal negligence.”

President Lyndon B. Johnson went to his grave haunted by the ghosts of Vietnam. President George W. Bush will live the rest of his life being tormented by the nightmares of Iraq, even if he claims he is not. President Obama’s catastrophic policies towards Syria will be a blot on his legacy. For a president who did not want to do ‘stupid stuff’ in foreign policy, his approach to Syria is akin to a case of criminal negligence.

A damaged legacy

President Obama’s attitude towards Syria says a lot about how he sees American power and how he sees the Middle East. He seems to be always cognizant of America’s limited power, and what he perceives as its shrinking ability to still do great things on its own. In Libya, he pursued a limited military role, leading from behind and hoping for the best and placing his faith solely in air power. He shirked the tedious political follow-up after the fall of the Libyan dictator, and in fact he admitted to that error.

Early in his first term President Obama wanted to have a new beginning with the Muslim world. That took him to Ankara and Cairo to pursue that path. And he extended an open hand to the hostile regimes in Iran and Syria. He also tried to stop the building of Israeli settlements in occupied Palestinian territories. Then he was hit in the face by the so-called Arab Spring where he reluctantly withdrew his support for Egypt’s Mubarak. In a few months his Middle East policies began to meet the hard men and the harsher realities of the region. The Iranians maintained their clenched fist; the Assad regime went through the ritual of dialogue but was never serious about changing its ways in Lebanon or the region. Netanyahu stiffed Obama on settlements, and the ill winds of the season of uprisings, plunged Libya in a civil war, and put Egypt under a precarious military rule, and the fires reached Syria. Obama took a second look at the region and realized that he has to invest a huge political and moral capital without guaranteed success… and he flinched.

In his second term, the long arduous road to Persia began to open slowly for a nuclear deal. Ever since, Obama’s eyes were focused on that prize, at the expense of other pressing challenges. Meanwhile, Syria continued to bleed and die slowly. And from the beginning, and even before the Assad regime militarized the uprising, Obama looked at the conflict as someone else’s civil war. He derisively referred to the Syrian opposition as ‘former doctors, farmers, pharmacists and so forth’ (words that could be used to describe the American rebels fighting for independence) before abandoning them to the tender mercies of Assad’s barrel bombs and the depredations of ISIS, when ISIS did not exist as an effective fighting terror army. The President wanted to believe the fiction that there is no military solution to the conflict in Syria, when the Assad regime and his Russian and Iranian sponsors always acted and believed that they will prevail only by the sword. Obama was not even serious when he claimed that the limited programs of training and equipping the moderate Syrian opposition were designed to force the Assad regime and his backers to the negotiating table. Truth be told, President Obama betrayed Syria for the sake of a nuclear deal with Iran. To paraphrase Saint Luke, what good is it for a president to gain a temporary deal, and yet lose his very self?

Deception

What was most maddening was the sheer length the president went to when he engaged in the worst use of sophistry during his tenure to misleadingly frame the arguments of his critics by claiming that they want him to ‘invade’ Syria, when in fact not a single serious expert on Syria called for such a thing. This is as deceptive, as his argument that those opposed to the nuclear deal with Iran, are pushing for war with the Islamic Republic. Obama and his Secretary of State John Kerry were repeatedly misled by Russia. A few weeks ago, the President himself more than hinted that Russia is seriously willing to engage in a political process that will end in Assad’s departure. General John Allen, the President’s Special Envoy for the Global Coalition to Counter ISIL, said three weeks ago that the Russians have told Secretary Kerry that they are ‘tired’ of Assad and are willing to move beyond him, that they may be able to lean on Iran to show some flexibility. Instead, both Russia and Iran are doubling down and qualitatively increasing their support for Assad. Russia has sent advisors and Special Forces and Marines to Tartus and Latakia. The U.S. is confirming these reports but it admits that it has no idea about their mission. The Obama administration is reduced to asking Moscow for explanations, for telling the Russians about its ‘deep concerns’ about these military moves. The Obama administration in dealing with the Russians and the Iranians is variously pleading, beseeching, and imploring. Words like these re-inforce the views of President Putin and Iran’s Ayatollah Khamenei that the President of the United States is willing to go the extra mile not to jeopardize the chances of implementing the nuclear deal and to secure Russian cooperation regarding Syria.

“Hard as it is to believe, but the worst is yet to come in Syria, for the Syrians as well as for the region and beyond.”

The worst is yet to come

What we see in Syria today, could be the shape of things to come in other parts of the region. The foreign fighters, and the endless river of refugees are threatening Lebanon, Jordan and Turkey where almost four million Syrian refugees currently and precariously reside. It is a question of time before Lebanon and Jordan implode. Violence has reached Turkey. With each passing day the chances for an acceptable political outcome are shrinking, and the chances of a permanent breakup of Syria and Iraq increase. Hard as it is to believe, but the worst is yet to come in Syria, for the Syrians as well as for the region and beyond. The best and the brightest of Syria are leaving the country to join a Syrian nation of refugees on the move. Most, if not all, will not return. Thus rebuilding Syria – if such a possibility is within reach in the foreseeable future – will become next to impossible.

Bill C.

Outlaw, Move Forward, et al:

Important to note the distinction — the difference — between isolationism and retrenchment:

Re: Isolationism:

… “A degree of prudent skepticism about the wisdom of entering the Syrian morasse is not isolationism, of course. Genuine isolationism would mean severing our security ties with the rest of the world and focusing solely on defending sovereign U.S. territory. Genuine isolationism means ending U.S. alliance commitments in Europe and Asia and telling our various Middle Eastern allies that they were going to have to defend themselves instead of relying on help from Uncle Sam. Genuine isolationism would eliminate the vast military forces that we buy and prepare for overseas intervention and focus instead on defending American soil. Real isolationists favor radical cuts to the defense budget (on the order of 50 percent or more) and would rely on nuclear deterrence and continental defense to preserve U.S. independence. And the most extreme isolationists would favor reducing foreign trade and immigration, getting out of the U.N. and other institutions, and trying to cut the United States off from the rest of the world.

The overwhelming majority of people who have doubts about the wisdom of deeper involvement in Syria — including yours truly — are not “isolationist.” They are merely sensible people who recognize that we may not have vital interests there, that deeper involvement may not lead to a better outcome and could make things worse, and who believe that the last thing the United States needs to do is to get dragged into yet another nasty sectarian fight in the Arab/Islamic world. But many of these same skeptics still favor American engagement in key strategic areas, support maintaining a strong defense capability, and see some U.S. allies as assets rather than liabilities.

Hawks like to portray opponents of military intervention as “isolationist” because they know it is a discredited political label. Yet there is a coherent case for a more detached and selective approach to U.S. grand strategy, and one reason that our foreign policy establishment works so hard to discredit is their suspicion that a lot of Americans might find it convincing if they weren’t constantly being reminded about looming foreign dangers in faraway places. The arguments in favor of a more restrained grand strategy are far from silly, and the approach makes a lot more sense to than neoconservatives’ fantasies of global primacy or liberal hawks’ fondness for endless quasi-humanitarian efforts to reform whole regions.” …

http://foreignpolicy.com/2013/05/01/sloppy-journalism-at-the-new-york-times/

Re: Retrenchment:

” … The best way to understand Mr. Obama’s predicament is to compare it with that of previous presidents who wound down major wars. He’s not the first to promise a less expensive, more sustainable foreign policy at a time when the country feels overextended. Dwight D. Eisenhower after Korea, Richard M. Nixon after Vietnam, and the first George Bush, after the Cold War, said much the same thing. Their less-is-more record contains good news for Mr. Obama, and clear warnings.

The public has always supported presidents who get America out of stalemated wars. In their first terms, Presidents Eisenhower, Nixon and Obama reassembled a foreign-policy consensus and were decisively re-elected. Mr. Obama has not lost the argument that America needs relief from global burdens. Polls show the public has no more enthusiasm for the Afghanistan war than he does. …

National decisions to retrench, moreover, are not quickly reversed. The military build-downs of the 1950s, ’70s and ’90s lasted longer than the buildups before them. The huge post-9/11 surge in Pentagon spending may take a decade to roll back. So, if the president wants a breather to focus resources on domestic needs, he is likely to get it.

Past retrenchments bring good news for Mr. Kerry, too. Military downsizing has never ruled out diplomatic activism. The two go hand in hand. To reduce East-West tensions, Eisenhower proposed Atoms for Peace, Open Skies, a nuclear test ban and more. Nixon pursued his “Generation of Peace” through an opening to China, détente with the Soviet Union, and Henry A. Kissinger’s razzle-dazzle Middle East diplomacy. Even the first President Bush, whose last two years were a mini-retrenchment, had his own big-think slogan, a “New World Order.”

These presidents sought global stability with less American policing. By comparison, Mr. Obama’s rhetoric is standard stuff. Critics ping him for wanting to heal the planet and reconcile with adversaries. But that’s how presidents in retrenchment talk. Mopping up after disaster requires compensatory inspiration. … ”

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/10/opinion/the-price-of-pulling-back-from-the-world.html

Thus, re: retrenchment (not isolationism), President Obama to be seen as being in good company; with Presidents Eisenhower, Nixon and Bush Sr. also being known by this exact same “retrenchment” (not isolationist) label?

So the only thing for us to debate now, it would seem, is:

a. Whether Obama’s potential losses on our periphery today (those potential losses, for example, in the Middle East and on the Russian boarderlands),

b. Losses/sacrifices/tradeoffs which are common, classic and consistent with a grand strategy of “retrenchment,”

c. Whether these such potential “losses” are to be seen as being as wise and as prudent (or not) as those such peripheral losses/sacrifices/tradeoffs which were made by our other presidents (Eisenhower, Nixon, Bush Sr.) who, like President Obama today, sought and pursued a grand strategy of “retrenchment.”

Outlaw 09

Bill—this is a sample of this isolationist mentality of the Obama Administration—they were actually part and parcel of the so called Normandy Five when we were in Normandy for the first meeting—THEN Obama pulled out leaving it for the Europeans to handle with it now being the Normandy Four.

After the Kerry Sochi Putin meeting where Kerry actually criticized the Ukrainian President in front of Putin the US attempted to setup a back channel between Nuland and Russia in order to get back into the Normandy format—Russia has effectively sidelined the US and frozen them out of the following meetings and basically the meetings are going in circles as Putin wants the political points inside Minsk 2 to be fulfilled and is basically refusing to implement the military points-ie total and complete POW exchanges, total withdrawal of Russian troops and her mercenaries, restoration of the Ukrainian border, total and complete withdrawal of all heavy weapons verified by OSCE and a total and complete monitoring by OSCE—none of that has been achieved.

Nuland and her counterpart had several meetings but lately not a single one as they were not going anywhere and after she was accused of pressuring the Ukraine into a unilateral appeasement move with no reciprocal demands on Russia she has not been to the Ukraine until yesterday.

Russia has gone into a ceasefire right now because of Syria, Putins UN visit, the coming potential EU sanctions rollovers in December etc.

Below is from yesterday’s meetings—NOTICE Germany is harping that progress is being made and the Ukrainian response was nothing was achieved—all the Russians wanted to do was talk about elections and yet they are still occupying eastern Ukraine and per Minsk 2 they should have been pulling out by now-along with their mercenaries and should have exchanged the remaining 189 POWs.

It is really worth reading the Minsk 2 agreement in order to see what Russia has never implemented all the while demanding the Ukraine fulfill every point.

Notice just how Germany wants progress so they can get back to business as usual.

AND just where is the US in all of this????? AWOL across the board—that is isolationism not retrenchment.

Klimkin: Normandy talks as confrontational as they were before. https://twitter.com/RT_com/status/642922454671851520

Russia refused to pass to Ukraine the control over Ukraine’s border – Klimkin nothing achieved.

Germany says ‘significant progress’ made at #Ukraine meeting
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/09/12/us-ukraine-crisis-germany-steinmeier-idUSKCN0RC0RL20150912

СММ ОБСЄ в Україні @OSCE_SMM
Time for sustained cease-fire, meaningful progress in implementation of Minsk Agreements, says OSCE SG on Ukraine http://www.osce.org/node/181686

ATO press center: 3 militant attacks recorded yesterday. No casualties among UA forces
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1066153943395411&id=820651001279041&refid=17&_ft_=top_level_post_id.1066153943395411%3Atl_objid.1066153943395411&__tn__=%2As

@waterloo_2014 Rumours are spread, RUS troops and hardware being withdrew. I didn’t note that. Drills in progress, ready ‘to Kyiv’…

@hingar66 Affirm. Many of them in #Starobesheve-#Dokuchaevsk, not going away but intrenching… https://twitter.com/loogunda/status/642988583507349504

Outlaw 09

Bill–if social media open source analysis of available imagery is seeing this THEN why not Obama, Kerry and the entire 700 person NSC????

That is a serious question and if not answered goes to the heart of isolationism.

This social media individual is providing some of the most telling imagery on Russian activities in both the Ukraine and Syria—and how much has the US spent on ISR—billions—literally billions of taxpayers money.

AND he is getting it either free and or paying for it himself.

I am trying to collect as much imagery as I can from the last 24-72 hours so I’ll be off-line for a while but I’ll post something now

Syria : I am now convinced #Putin is making a major push in Syria. If I see it every western gov sees it. But will they call Putin out?

Syria : #Russia military forces assembling directly on multiple airfields equipped for heavy transports…

Russian AA-systems in Syria, for what? ISIS doesn’t have an airforce. https://twitter.com/vorobyov/status/643014692378669056

Outlaw 09

This is a telling comment about the lack of any US strategic thinking at any level when it comes to Russia and especially Putin either in the Ukraine and or Syria—even now.

Earnest said that the U.S. remains unsure about Russia’s intentions in Syria. (Critics say this inability to understand President Vladimir Putin prevented the Obama administration from anticipating the invasion of Ukraine, or responding effectively to the conflict that followed.)

“At this point, it’s hard to tell exactly what they’re planning to do,” he said. “We’ve, I think. tried to make clear what we would like to see them do, but ultimately they’ll have to decide.”

AND the narrative of this Iranian message is what again and who is it targeted against????

Khamenei.ir
‏@khamenei_ir If any war happens…
https://youtu.be/QjmDV8kagV8

Yoram Ettinger, a former Israeli consul-general in Houston, said the issues here have little to do with personalities or alleged hostilities on the part of Obama. “It’s an issue of a gap between two very different world views,” he said.

He said that in Israeli eyes, Obama is unrealistic, sending a message of weakness through his handling of the so-called Arab Spring over the past five years and by trusting an Iranian government with such a long record of defying the international community and supporting violent groups across the region.

“Are you rooted in reality or are you rooted in wishful thinking,” he said.

Bill C.

Outlaw, Move Forward, et. al:

From the conclusion of Joesph S. Nye, Jr.’s recent (2015) book entitled “Is the American Century Over?”:

“Some commentators immediately pronounced the return of isolationism in American foreign policy, but the word has become more of a political cudgel than a term of analysis.”

“The true isolationism of the 1930s was enshrined in various laws designed to prevent another intervention in Europe.”

” Retrenchment is not isolationism, but an adjustment of strategic goals and means. Presidents who followed policies of retrenchment since the beginning of the American century include Eisenhower, Ford, Carter, the first Bush and Obama … All of them were strong internationalists when compared to true isolationists of the 1930s, but this did not protect them from critics.”

Via this analysis — and especially via these details provided by Joseph Nye above — I believe that we can now (a) put the erroneous/distracting terms “isolationist” and “isolationism” to bed and (b) move on to the more important questions at hand; these being:

a. Whether our “forward-leaning” efforts on the periphery (Ukraine, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, etc., etc., etc., today)

b. Efforts designed to transform outlying states and societies (such as those outlined above) more along modern western political, economic and social lines,

c. Whether these such expansionist efforts must, for the time being, take a logical and literal “back seat” to other, more pressing matters/requirements?

d. This entailing, as is common/characteristic to such “retrenchment” approaches/grand strategies, the clear potential for “losses” on “freedom’s frontier.”

Bottom Line:

Our opponents today DESPERATELY want the U.S./the West to become even more involved/ even more overextended than we currently are.

Thus, our opponents “provocative actions,” which are, quite clearly and quite literally, designed to draw us further into the over-involvement/over-extension trap.

So:

a. Do we (1) do exactly what our opponents want us to do, (2) take the obvious “bait” and, quite literally, (3) fall (further) into their trap? Or

b. Are we smarter than this?

Outlaw 09

Bill C–pay very close attention to the podcast from RFL–RFE/RL Podcast: Putin’s Road To Damascus

There are a serious number of items mentioned by the participants that never seem to make it into the US mainstream media thus never make it to the WH and the NSC for their attention. I have said a number of times in SWJ comments that the Sunni militant groups are fighting now as a professional army as someone has effectively trained them and provided an unusual number of TOWs–their comments confirm this.

Notice the mentioning of the following;

1. that it is a proxy war between Iran and the Sunni states of UAE, Qatar and the KSA

2. in fact it might and could be said Russia is being pulled into the proxy fight by supplying highly modern weapons to the Iranians and the Iranians flying in units of the IRGC to do the ground fighting

3.AND this is the most important piece—yes IS is fighting there and Al Nursa is actually acting much like a free agent–sometimes here sometimes there depending on who pays them and provides more weapons

BLUF is that there are in fact “three distinct Sunni Armies” with the emphasis on the word “Sunni Armies” now on the battlefield fighting to defend the honor of Syria against Assad and IS AND they are battle hardened and combat efficient and are well supplied with ATMs and more modern artillery.

While the IS is fighting to create a Caliphate–the Sunni Armies are fighting to preserve Syria as a Sunni state and where there have been head to head fighting IS usually loses.

Iran on the other hand is as I have indicated here a number of times fighting to have the Green Crescent connections to Hezbollah in Lebanon not cut.

While the bulk of the podcast concerned Russia and the US it did go into Russian relations with Iran.

The podcast should be replayed and replayed in the WH and the NSC.

We the US had in fact a number of different opportunities since 2011 to shape the outcome of the fighting in Syria which would not have cost us much at all in the grand scheme of things—–BUT we did absolutely nothing.

Outlaw 09

Well so much for the Kerry expressions of “concern”–Russia just keeps flying in troops and equipment.

“This is the most important Russian power projection in the region in decades,” said Stephen J. Blank, an expert on the Russian military at the American Foreign Policy Council, “and it will enhance Russia’s influence throughout the Levant.”

And it is not a direct challenge to Obama??

Putin knows he will not react other than via words and words have not stopped Putin since Crimea–actually not since Georgia.

Outlaw 09

Deleted– was a second copy for the previous comment.

Outlaw 09

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/14/op…-on-syria.html

Don’t Trust Putin on Syria

By ANDREW FOXALL

SEPT. 14, 2015

LONDON — SYRIA is being destroyed. The civil war, now more than four years old, has left the country in ruins. The implacable Islamic State controls vast areas of the north and east, and the barbaric regime of President Bashar al-Assad maintains its Damascus stronghold.

The Western powers — the United States and Europe — have no good options to combat the Islamic State, but they can’t do nothing. Either they must work with Mr. Assad’s regime to combat the jihadists, or ignore its existence and undertake military action alone to push back the jihadists. Thus far, though, the American-led air campaign against the Islamic State has done little to halt its advances.

This stark choice is a result of the failure of recent Western policy. One person who understands this better than most is the Russian president, Vladimir V. Putin.

On Sept. 4, Mr. Putin announced that Russia had been providing military aid to Damascus against the Islamic State — support that has recently been ramped up. He also called for “some kind of an international coalition to fight terrorism and extremism.” This is in keeping with Moscow’s Syria policy, which has been consistent since 2010: Block any American-backed move to remove Mr. Assad from power and instead force the West to embrace him as a partner.

Russia has been isolated by the West because of its actions in Ukraine, but now presents itself as an unlikely savior — an indispensable partner in the West’s efforts against Islamist extremism.

We’ve been here before. After the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, Mr. Putin was the first world leader to speak with President George W. Bush. Days later, Mr. Putin promised Russia’s support for the American-led coalition against the Taliban in Afghanistan, urging others to join Russia in “fighting international terrorism.”

Islamist terrorism is an issue close to Mr. Putin’s heart; it helped him rise to power in the first place. Over several weeks in September 1999, a series of bombings destroyed four apartment buildings in Moscow and two other Russian cities. Almost 300 people were killed, with hundreds more injured.

Islamist terrorists from the southern Russian republic of Chechnya were blamed for the attacks. Given that pretext, Russia’s traumatized public readily acquiesced when Moscow began a second war in Chechnya. A few months after the invasion, Russia’s then relatively unknown, recently appointed prime minister, Mr. Putin, was swept into the presidency.

There are issues, however, with the official narrative. Critics point to evidence that the apartment bombings were carried out by Russia’s Federal Security Bureau, or at least with F.S.B. involvement.

Less than a week after the fourth bombing, a fifth bomb was uncovered in the basement of a building in another Russian city. It was disarmed before it could explode, and the bombers were arrested and identified. They turned out to be not Chechen terrorists but F.S.B. agents. Mr. Putin, himself a former head of the F.S.B., dismissed the notion that the bombings were a state-sponsored plot.

Yet suspicions that Moscow manipulates terrorism for its own purposes have re-emerged. In July, Novaya Gazeta, one of Russia’s few remaining independent newspapers, reported that the F.S.B. had been controlling the flow of jihadists from the North Caucasus to Syria, where many joined the Islamic State. The newspaper’s investigation found that the F.S.B. had established a “green corridor” allowing Islamist radicals to travel via Turkey, since Moscow would rather have these jihadists fighting in Syria than in Russia.

So much for leading the international effort against terrorism. Yet, that same month, President Obama said he was “encouraged” by a call from Mr. Putin to discuss Syria, and that this “offers us an opportunity to have a serious conversation.” Mr. Obama should not be fooled.

Mr. Putin’s master plan for Syria — promoted by his foreign minister, Sergey V. Lavrov — is clear: that the Western and Arab countries, which form the present anti-Islamic State coalition, should join forces with Mr. Assad, together with Kurdish and Iraqi troops; Iran, Hezbollah and Russia may also join this alliance. The coalition would obtain a formal mandate from the United Nations Security Council and then defeat the jihadist insurgency.

Russia would then bring Mr. Assad to the negotiating table and oversee a political transition that preserves his regime. Mr. Putin plans to address the United Nations General Assembly later this month about this plan.

In promoting a rapprochement between Russia and the West over the Islamic State, Mr. Putin hopes to rehabilitate himself, just as he did after Sept. 11. Back then, Mr. Putin convinced the West that the threat it faced in Afghanistan and elsewhere was the same as Russia faced in Chechnya. By doing so, Russia’s president was able to tamp down Western criticism of Russia’s brutality in Chechnya.

The Kremlin saw the West’s enthusiasm for cooperation as weakness. It led Mr. Putin to believe that he could act however he liked in Russia, and get away with it. That belief still prevails — but no longer applies only to Russia.

If a new rapprochement on Syria goes ahead, Ukraine would be conveniently forgotten. This would risk undermining the West’s Ukraine-related sanctions, and provide Mr. Putin with tacit recognition of Russia’s annexation of Crimea and Moscow’s dominance of eastern Ukraine.

Russia would thus have triumphed over the world order imposed by the West after the end of the Cold War. America’s enemies, from China to Iran, would see this as an invitation to redefine their relationships with Washington.

The West should consider all options on Syria — including an international coalition with Russia against the Islamic State. But if that is the chosen course, the West must doubt that Mr. Putin can be trusted, that intelligence shared by Russia will be credible, or that the Kremlin can help negotiate a diplomatic settlement in Syria that the West and its Arab allies can support.

Georgia and Ukraine show what happens when the West does not block Russia’s coercive diplomacy. We must not let Mr. Putin dictate the terms of cooperation. To do so risks repeating past mistakes.

Bill C.

Duplicate.

Bill C.

(Very hard questions follow here:)

Consider these four quotes from a recent New York Times article provided by Outlaw.

“Russia may try to use American criticism of any military aid as proof that the Obama administration is soft on the Islamic State and only wants to topple President Bashar al-Assad, he said, so “it can be presented as an American unwillingness to fight evil.”

“Ms. Zakharova said military aid was consistent with a proposal by Mr. Putin that all the forces battling the Islamic State combine efforts. The specific details of the aid were a matter for the Defense Ministry, she said, not the Foreign Ministry. The Defense Ministry has said it was fulfilling existing contracts.”

“Russian diplomats said they suspected that the real, unstated goal behind the American criticism was that the United States and some other opponents of Mr. Assad want to use the fight against the Islamic State to pursue their original goal of deposing him. Russia opposes that both as a goal and a principle.”

“The problem is that the West cannot show one example of how they would manage the Syria story right after,” Ms. Zakharova said. “What is the West planning to do right after? Do they have a magic wand that will transform Syria from civil war to economic prosperity?”

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/08/world/europe/russia-answers-us-criticism-over-military-aid-to-syria.html?partner=rss&emc=rss&smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur&_r=0

What the Russians seem to be saying here is that the United States/the West has shown itself to be irrational; this by:

a. Attempting to do regime change/regime decapitation in Syria —

b. Much as the U.S./the West did in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, etc.,

c. Without a reasonable, intelligent and viable plan for how to manage “right after.”

This suggesting that the Russians feel they must, for their part now, step in to:

a. Prevent the U.S./the West from making another such terrible/irrational mistake,

b. A mistake for which the citizens of the countries involved, and indeed the citizens of region and much of the world as a whole (via such things as terrorism, refugee flows, etc.), must — because of the West’s poorly thought out such actions — indefinitely pay.

Do we think that, via these such arguments by the Russians (that they must rescue the West from its irrational self, and that they must, also, rescue the citizens of the region and indeed the rest of the world from such irrational Western actions) — that via these such arguments the Russians (and the Chinese who think similarly?) gain, for their such prudence(???):

a. Significant political capital.

b. And respect and gratitude rather than enmity.

c. On much of the world stage?

(As I stated at the beginning: Very hard questions here.)

Outlaw 09

Bill C—this is why anything done currently by the US is nothing but lip service as they have absolutely no strategy nor can they even understand Russian moves in Syria.

What is interesting about this particular weaponized information “leak” is that at first glance it looks like Putin was pushing a valid offer and it was the mean West that was far sighted and did not engage—BUT then the second comment reflects social media who had done battle with Russian propaganda for over a year now and can fully read between the Russian lines as opposed to say Obama and the entire NSC.

West ‘ignored Russian offer to have Syria’s Assad step aside’ says Ahtisaari to @julianborger http://www.theguardian.com/world/201…sad-step-aside … fascinating if true

Just to be clear: Russians offer was 4 Assad 2 “lead transition” (God knows 4how long) & leave honorably on his term. http://www.theguardian.com/world/201…rld_b-gdnworld …

So in reality it really never was a true offer-was just designed as Russian CYA so Russia could stand back and say –“we are the adults here not the West”……..BUT WAIT was not this offer actually all about regime change as even defined in Russian propaganda.

THEN today from the Russian UK Ambassador–one of their leading info warriors—he flips the 2012 article–typical Russian Orwellian doublespeak.

Alexander Yakovenko Verified account 
‏@Amb_Yakovenko Rumours of Rus-US-Saudi “secret talks on ousting Assad” groundless. Moscow is not in regime change business.

BUT with a extra large B —-why do regime change when one can “share”–so Assad is in the view of Russia going to be there for a long time—but as the KSA has stated he must go as he is the problem.

Putin says Assad is ready to share power with Syria’s opposition https://meduza.io/en/news/2015/09/15…a-s-opposition … Why change regimes when you can “share” them?

BUT only share with “reasonable forces”–what the heck is “reasonable forces” among the current anti Assad forces fighting in Syria to actually toss out Assad?????

Outlaw 09

http://foreignpolicy.com/2015/09/14/…ampaign=buffer

This Satellite Image Leaves No Doubt That Russia Is Throwing Troops and Aircraft Into Syria

It also shows just how screwed America’s Syria policy is

Over the past year, evidence has steadily emerged of a growing Russian military presence in Syria. As Bashar al-Assad’s armies have failed him in the field, he has increasingly relied on outside help. Initially, that help came from Hezbollah and Iran, but now it appears to be Moscow’s turn. And Washington may finally be waking up to what looks like a substantial Russian intervention in Syria.

New satellite images, obtained by Foreign Policy, of construction at an air base near Latakia leave little doubt that U.S. policy toward ending the conflict in Syria, such as it is, is now in total disarray. As they say, seeing is believing.

Admittedly, there has long been a Russian military presence in Syria. When opposition forces overran a Syrian listening post in October last year, the images revealed that it was staffed by the Russian military. More recently, analysts have noted pictures and videos that seem to confirm the presence of Russian combat forces fighting in Syria. Russian military vehicles have been sighted, while Russian soldiers have posted images and comments on Russian social media sites like VKontakte and the California-based LiveJournal, detailing their service in the war-torn country. (Some of the best open-source analysis has been on Bellingcat’s website.)

It is very strange world we live in, one marked both by the “little green men” of Russia’s “hybrid” warfare who Moscow can disavow and by data ubiquity that allows analysts to mock those disavowals.

Still, there has always been a question about how extensive Russia’s support for the Syrian regime has been the past four years. Are those even Russians inside the Moscow-supplied combat vehicles? Open-source analysts have been quite enterprising in suggesting the answer is yes, hearing snippets of Russian in between bursts from the vehicle’s gun. But the Russians claim any Slavic accents are merely those of a very small number of trainers or advisors. Nothing to see here; please move along.

That is now very hard to believe. On Sept. 4, the New York Times published an article suggesting that Russia had shipped prefabricated housing and a transportable air traffic control station to an airfield near Latakia. It was a great scoop, but I was pretty baffled that the New York Times didn’t bother to purchase a satellite image of the facility. Had they done so, they would have realized that they buried the lede.

The satellite image shows far more than prefabricated housing and an air traffic control station. It shows extensive construction of what appears to be a military canton at Bassel al-Assad International Airport (named for Bashar’s elder brother, who died in a car accident in 1994). This canton appears designed to support Russian combat air operations from the base and may serve as a logistical hub for Russian combat forces.

In recent days, using aircraft tracking sites, a number of analysts have begun to document the near-daily arrival of Russian transport planes to the base. The Russians are also sending ships to Syria, though the ships often declare for a nearby non-Syrian port, like Port Said in Egypt, and then take a wrong turn at Albuquerque, so to speak.

Rogin reports that U.S. officials believe Russia will base combat aircraft at the site. That is easy to confirm from the satellite image. In recent weeks, construction crews have completed a taxiway that connects the runway to the construction area. That means aircraft shelters for Russian aircraft.

The scale of the construction goes even further. A large area of ground has been cleared in many different parts of the air base. There are pallets and crates everywhere. Trucks are visible driving into the site. (We’ve annotated the image, but I highly recommend following @finriswolf on Twitter.) The image drives home the implication of all those flights and shipments heading to Syria: Russia is substantially expanding its involvement.

There is now little hope of establishing a no-fly zone over Syria, unless Washington wants to be in the business of shooting down Russian aircraft. From a broader perspective, U.S. efforts to arm the opposition to Assad mean fighting a proxy war with Moscow, either by trying to down the Russian planes or helping Syrian opposition forces kill Russian combat troops on the ground. That seems a much tougher task than fighting a proxy war with Iran and Hezbollah.

But beyond this narrow question of whether the United States wants to directly support combat operations against Russian forces in Syria, Moscow’s apparent commitment to Damascus raises fundamental questions about what U.S. strategy, if any, can succeed. I have long been opposed to collaborating with Assad. I don’t believe that he is committed to fighting the Islamic State; he only seems interested in attacking those opposition forces that threaten him directly. (In fact, by writing off parts of Syria to the Islamic State, he creates a second front for his opponents.) Nor do I believe he will ever command enough support to reestablish government control in Syria. If there is any hope of uniting Syrians, Assad must leave.

What Russia has done, however, is make it clear that it will not let Assad fall. He can’t win, but Russia won’t let him lose. That dooms Syria to what looks like endless war, as Assad fights to the last man. There are those who see Syria as a quagmire for Putin, a kind of matched pair to our own folly in Iraq; just as Washington collectively saw Afghanistan as payback for Vietnam. I am not so sanguine.

While Charlie Wilson’s war helped popularize the idea of bleeding Moscow, I don’t think that can be the basis of U.S. policy either. The moral cost is far too high. Aylan Kurdi, the 3-year-old boy whose corpse washed up on a Turkish beach, was fleeing Syria’s civil war, as are hundreds of thousands of the refugees now in Europe. More than half of Syria’s 17 million people have been displaced. Bleeding Moscow means bleeding these people. It may sound strategic in a Pentagon war room, but not when children’s bodies wash up on shore.

Columns are supposed to have a simple solution. An op-ed should have five paragraphs wrapped up in a neat little bow that explains how to fix the problem outlined in the first paragraph. One of my favorite professors (and FP colleague), Kori Schake, used to liken it to the answer in a beauty pageant. She was right, but for the life of me I can’t come up with one. It seems that, sometimes, the world’s pain can’t be solved in a few hundred words of sage advice.

So this column does not have a neat and tidy ending. And that is because I am not sure that it is now possible to save Syria. There is no path to resurrect a state that is failing, not so long as Putin has decided to do whatever it takes to preserve Assad’s awful regime and condemn Syria to endless conflict. We can, of course, make it difficult for Russia to resupply its forces in Syria. Already, some NATO allies, like Bulgaria and Turkey, have denied Russian aircraft over-flight rights. Iraq, too, appears to have turned back at least one aircraft.

And there is surely more we can do to shelter the millions of refugees now fleeing the conflict. Having helped create this mess with the invasion of Iraq and subsequent failure to stop the bloodshed in Syria, the United States and its European allies have an obligation to assist these people. This is especially true of those countries that were the loudest supporters of the invasion of Iraq. Coalition of the Still Willing, right? That includes you, Hungary.

But these measures won’t replace Bashar al-Assad with a figure who could rally moderate Syrians to restore a stable government, let alone stop the bloodshed. At best, they are only an expression of empathy and contrition. Putin has to be convinced to tell Assad it is time to go. Until then, and as long as Moscow is flooding Syria with military assistance, the country’s misery will continue.

Outlaw 09

Bill C–let me see if I can wrap up this conversation in the following way–when the Wall came down there was a general strategic ease among the major players–Russia, US and China–then starting in 1991 all three slid into what I would call a “strategic unease’–meaning the “the way international norms and laws had been balanced was based on the perceived ability by any of the three to actually enforce those norms”.

Now after the Wall with Russia imploding due to the abject failure of their version of Communism and China going on a major “capitalistic binge” believing constant economic expansion would led them to being a “superpower” equal to the US–AND with Russia kicking in their military rebuild built on 5T USDs that they had received from oil/gas revenue and both failed to fully understand that in order to be a superpower one has to be an economic power as well and both have to fully function at the same time.

Towards the end of 2013-2014 both Russia and China started to hit the economic wall and their economies while growing were unable to sustain a growing military at the same time they were trying to grow their internal economies–ie the bread, butter AND guns at the same time are now their main issues. We faced this and decided bread and butter are better than guns and have been reducing our military ever since that decision.

Really China and Russia even though strong in a military sense can no longer sustain that large of a military–the PLA has recently announced a “lay off of hundreds of thousands” and the Russian army cannot complete their full transition to a fully funded volunteer army anywhere near the estimated 2020 timeline if ever at all.

Now enter the US–which hit their own economic wall with the real estate bubble and two wars and which has been suffering economically since then.

So enters the dance of the “strategic unease” where all three no longer are constrained by an effective threat from any of the three in violating any international norm or law.

This dance will continue into economically things come back into balance in about another 10 years or so— if it even comes back into balance which is a serious question.

Until then when one of the three pulls back then the other two attempt to fill the void and tensions climb as they now no longer have a mechanism to regulate their own behavior and the behaviors between themselves.

IE China building island built aircraft carriers and claiming the name South China Sea means it belongs to China forgetting about 60 or so different countries that sit on the SCS with all their territorial claims and Russia annexing Crimea,invading eastern Ukraine and now establishing their largest military footprint ever in the ME WHILE eliminating one of the critical balancing mechanisms of the entire Cold War–MAD (which Russia has openly declared DOA via Putin).

NOW enters a new complexity for all three—global civil societies are starting to demand based on the rule of law, good governance and transparency “a share of the economic pie” and economic development for their children and a voice in government.

We see that occurring regardless of what China and Russia say in their own countries and we see the lack of any concept by the current US administration in handling the Arab Springs and the color revolts.

So until the three redevelop a sort of 21st century version of being able to restrict each others actions (similar to what existed in the Cold War) am afraid we are going to be in for a very long turbulent 21st century.

One can now fully understand the concept of “non linear warfare”–it allows the players to act in this vacuum with no restrictions one step below open warfare–AND we the US are not even in the game.

Outlaw 09

US talking does not seem to achieve much these days……

Syrian foreign Ministry has said it is ready to ask the Russian Federation to send troops http://syria.liveuamap.com/en/2015/1…id-it-is-ready … via @GazetaRu

SYRIAN FOREIGN MINISTER SAYS WILL ASK RUSSIA FOR SENDING ARMY FIGHTING ALONGSIDE SYRIAN FORCES IF NEED BE — STATE TV

Outlaw 09

Another abject failure by the US intel community if in fact it is true—

Russian troops have been already in Syria for over four months SO in fact the video released of them fighting in Homs is in fact accurate.

https://meduza.io/en/news/2015/09/18…oyment

Russian soldiers reportedly refuse secret Syria deployment

13:22, 18 September 2015 Gazeta.ru

A group of Russian soldiers who are serving in the army on military contracts (as opposed to draftees) have reportedly refused to be deployed in Latakia, Syria.

Officials from Russia’s Eastern Command have denied this report, saying its training exercises are limited to Russian soil. Vladimir Putin’s spokesman, Dmitry Peskov, said earlier today that the Kremlin has no knowledge of the situation.

A lieutenant who identified himself as Alexei N. told the Russian news website Gazeta.ru that commanders selected 20 of the best-trained soldiers and told them that they would be deployed to a hot region. They were warned that the climate would be very different from what they were used to and that there would be poisonous animals at the new place, but the specific region was not named. The group was first sent to the Black Sea port of Novorossiysk. At first, the soldiers assumed they were being sent to the east of Ukraine, but later they found out they would be deployed in Syria.

On September 16, a General Staff representative dressed in civilian clothing told the group that a secret decree stipulates that they would be sent to Latakia and that they may have to participate in fighting.

The group was due to be shipped off on September 17, but instead they appealed to the Military Prosecutor’s Office, and the deployment was delayed. Several of the soldiers have already submitted their letters of resignation from the army.

“Registrations were being taken off the technical equipment. We were told about the consolidation of an air base in Syria,” said another contractor. “One of the people at the loading station at the port told us that our men have been there for four months already.”

Russia is currently training Syrian soldiers in accordance with a weapons trade deal between the two countries. Officials have confirmed that Russian trainers have been sent to Syria. Russia also operates a military base in Tartus, and in the past Russian troops have been stationed at Latakia.

Earlier, Stratfor revealed satellite images showing construction work in Latakia. According to some sources, Russian tanks and weapons are stationed there.

On September 16, the Russian military high command admitted that Moscow might construct an air force base in Syria.

On September 18, Syria’s Foreign Ministry announced on television that Syria might appeal to Russia to bring in troops. He said that Russian troops are not actively partaking in the armed conflict in Syria at the moment.

The American taxpayer has funded the intel community to the tune of literally billions since 9/11 and yet social media has to tell the world what is going on in Syria—-come on……tell me this is not happening..

Outlaw 09

OK I finally give up–never thought I would see a US President adopt the same denial process as Putin–meaning “it ain’t me it is the others” approach to anything–in this case there is no foreign policy whatsoever so blaming someone, something, anything is down right disingenuous.

BTW he did this same drill for the Iran Deal–“if you do not sign it –we are going to war”–again totally disingenuous for a sitting President with a Harvard degree.

OR even better from 2013—“we will judge Putin on his actions not his words” AND look what it got the Ukraine for civilian and military loses over the last year.

As the President of the US stand up for something and openly admit the buck stops with me instead of blaming everyone else for your own failures and mistakes–THAT is the problem when one is far more worried about one’ own legacy than the world’s civil societies–that is what the Nobel Peace Prize stands for –concern for others–in this case it is the concern of the President’s own legacy and no one else.

Obama—- and I have mentioned it a dozen or more times here in SWJ is the weakest President with the weakest NSC–all 700 of them-with the weakest DNI we have had in over now going on 60 plus years–no strategy for anything, no foreign policy anyone can recognize AND at the same time a Nobel Peace Prize winner–for what I am not sure??

His indecision, blaming others and absolutely non responses to virtually anything has caused major damage to any US creditability remaining in this world-BUT I do not think he even sees that.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/18/world/finger-pointing-but-few-answers-after-a-syria-solution-fails.html?_r=0

Finger-Pointing, but Few Answers, After a Syria Solution Fails

By PETER BAKER

SEPT. 17, 2015

President Obama in Washington on Wednesday. White House aides said Mr. Obama had always been skeptical about training Syrian rebels. Credit Manuel Balce Ceneta/Associated Press

WASHINGTON — By any measure, President Obama’s effort to train a Syrian opposition army to fight the Islamic State on the ground has been an abysmal failure. The military acknowledged this week that just four or five American-trained fighters are actually fighting.

But the White House says it is not to blame. The finger, it says, should be not at Mr. Obama but at those who pressed him to attempt training Syrian rebels in the first place — a group that, in addition to congressional Republicans, happened to include former Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton.

President Obama spoke with President Vladimir V. Putin at a summit meeting in Beijing in November. The two leaders have had a few such glancing encounters, but no formal sit-down sessions over the past year or so.

At briefings this week after the disclosure of the paltry results, Josh Earnest, the White House press secretary, repeatedly noted that Mr. Obama always had been a skeptic of training Syrian rebels. The military was correct in concluding that “this was a more difficult endeavor than we assumed and that we need to make some changes to that program,” Mr. Earnest said. “But I think it’s also time for our critics to ‘fess up in this regard as well. They were wrong.”

In effect, Mr. Obama is arguing that he reluctantly went along with those who said it was the way to combat the Islamic State, but that he never wanted to do it and has now has been vindicated in his original judgment. The I-told-you-so argument, of course, assumes that the idea of training rebels itself was flawed and not that it was started too late and executed ineffectively, as critics maintain.

Either way, it underscored White House sensitivities about the widening Syrian catastrophe. With more than 200,000 killed in the civil war, a wave of refugees flooding into Europe, and Russia now flying in arms and troops, the president finds himself with a geopolitical and humanitarian mess that will most likely not be settled before he leaves office in 16 months.

Mr. Obama has long considered Syria a quagmire that defies American solutions, and aides are hoping to keep him from being held responsible for something that, they argue, he never really had the power to fix. But with images of drowned children and Russian tanks, the president has come under increasing fire from multiple directions.

The Russians accuse him of making the crisis worse by opposing the autocratic government of President Bashar al-Assad in its fight against terrorists like the Islamic State, also called ISIS or ISIL. Republicans accuse him of passivity and fecklessness, of sitting back while the conflict spread across the region.

But there is no consensus among critics about what should be done. During back-to-back presidential debates on Wednesday night, Republican candidates were divided between those advocating more American involvement and those suggesting stepping back and letting the Syrians fight it out themselves.

“I openly and repeatedly warned that if we did not find moderate elements on the ground that we could equip and arm, that void would be filled by radical jihadists,” Senator Marco Rubio of Florida said. “Well, the president didn’t listen, the administration didn’t follow through and that’s exactly what happened. That is why ISIS grew.”

Donald J. Trump, the businessman, and Senator Rand Paul of Kentucky went the other direction, embracing disengagement. “Syria’s a mess,” Mr. Trump said. “Why are we fighting ISIS in Syria? Let them fight each other and pick up the remnants.”

Mr. Paul added, “Sometimes both sides of the civil war are evil, and sometimes intervention makes us less safe.”

The idea of bolstering Syrian rebels was debated from the early days of the civil war, which started in 2011. Mrs. Clinton, along with David H. Petraeus, then the C.I.A. director, and Leon E. Panetta, then the defense secretary, supported arming opposition forces, but the president worried about deep entanglement in someone else’s war after the bloody experience in Iraq.

In 2014, however, after the Islamic State had swept through parts of Syria and Iraq, Mr. Obama reversed course and initiated a $500 million program to train and arm rebels who had been vetted and were told to fight the Islamic State, not Mr. Assad’s government.

The program was financed last December and started in May with the goal of training 5,400 in the first year, but military officials said only 100 to 120 had actually been trained. The first 54 graduates suffered a devastating attack by a Qaeda affiliate in July, forcing the Pentagon to draw up plans to revamp the program by dropping larger numbers of fighters into safer parts of Syria.

Appearing at a Senate hearing on Wednesday, Gen. Lloyd J. Austin III, head of the United States Central Command, conceded that only four or five trained rebels were actually fighting now.

“We have to acknowledge that this is a total failure,” Senator Jeff Sessions, Republican of Alabama, said in response. “It’s just a failure. I wish it weren’t so, but that’s the fact. It’s time to — way past time to react to that failure.”

Military officials said the few trained rebels might still prove useful in specific roles, like calling in American airstrikes. But the military has had better results from working with Kurdish forces who have stepped up to fill the place of American-trained Syrians on the ground, first at Sinjar, then at Kobani and most recently in the stretch of Syria south of the Turkish border from the Euphrates River to the Iraqi border.

The White House all but washed its hands of the training program after General Austin’s testimony.

“It is true that we have found this to be a difficult challenge,” Mr. Earnest said. “But it is also true that many of our critics had proposed this specific option as essentially the cure-all for all of the policy challenges that we’re facing in Syria right now. That is not something that this administration ever believed, but it is something that our critics will have to answer for.”

Some of those critics said the program failed because it was delayed and limited. “The White House plan is two-plus years late and fundamentally flawed because it restricts volunteers from fighting against Assad, which is their priority objective,” said Gen. Jack Keane, a retired Army vice chief of staff.

Some Syrian rebels who asked for American arms in 2011 and 2012 eventually gave up and allied themselves with more radical groups, analysts said, leaving fewer fighters who were friendly to the United States. “The reason it failed is because we got the politics wrong,” said Andrew J. Tabler, a Syria specialist at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy.

Ryan C. Crocker, a retired career diplomat who was an ambassador to Afghanistan under Mr. Obama, said the president was right to think a train-and-arm program would not work. But the president, Mr. Crocker added, should have either continued to resist it or at least taken ownership of it rather than blame others for its failure.

“How un-presidential that sounds — ‘We didn’t want to do it, we thought it was unsound but you made us do it,’ ” said Mr. Crocker, now dean of the George Bush School of Government and Public Service at Texas A&M University. “It’s just indicative of their whole approach to Syria, which is not to have a policy. This is the worst thing they could say.”

BLUF–I think I could find third year polisci students who could make sound decisions and that do not need a 700 person NSC to help them or a DNI for that matter who is more interested in twisting intelligence to fit his and or the President’s needs.

No policy for Syria—come on Mr. President you are literally embarrassing me in front of my German friends.

Outlaw 09

Now Obama and Kerry completely retreat from their foreign policy decision that Assad must go–come on that flies in the face of KSA, UAE, Qatar, and Turkey demands.

It now appears that Obama is fully supporting the Iranian IRGC and Iranian hegemony in Syria.

U.S. to Begin Military Talks With Russia on Syria

By MICHAEL R. GORDON
SEPT. 18, 2015

LONDON — Secretary of State John Kerry said on Friday that the United States was prepared to engage in military-to-military talks with Russia concerning Syria.

“The president believes that a military-to-military conversation is an important next step,” Mr. Kerry said, “and I think, hopefully, it will take place very shortly.”

The initial purpose of the talks with Russia, Mr. Kerry said, will be to help “define some of the different options that are available to us as we consider next steps in Syria.”

Mr. Kerry said that the Obama administration would not change its basic goals in Syria: The defeat the Islamic State, also known as ISIS or ISIL, and a political solution for the conflict there.

But though the administration has long said that President Bashar al-Assad must go for there to be a durable solution to the Syria crisis, Mr. Kerry seemed on Friday to allow for the possibility that Mr. Assad might remain in power in the short term. Mr. Assad has had Russia’s backing throughout the conflict.

THIS is exactly the Putin agenda–nothing less nothing more–this is not US foreign policy at work but Putin’s own FP dictated to the US via a weak President.

“Our focus remains on destroying ISIL and also on a political settlement with respect to Syria, which we believe cannot be achieved with a long-term presence of Assad,” Mr. Kerry said. “But we’re looking for ways in which to try to find a common ground. Clearly, if you’re going to have a political settlement, which we have always argued is the best and only way to resolve Syria, you need to have conversations with people, and you need to find a common ground.”

Mr. Kerry made his remarks in London at the start of a meeting with Abdullah bin Zayed, the foreign minister of the United Arab Emirates. Mr. Kerry also plans to meet on Saturday with the British foreign secretary, Philip Hammond, and then will travel to Germany on Sunday for discussions focused mainly on the Syria crisis and the refugee situation in Europe.

Russia has been stepping up its support for Mr. Assad in recent weeks, including deployment of weapons and personnel to an airfield near Latakia, Syria. With Mr. Kerry’s comments on Friday, the Obama administration’s position on the Russian steps has shifted, from objecting vociferously to trying to manage events.

On Sept. 5, Mr. Kerry warned Sergey V. Lavrov, the Russian foreign minister, that the Kremlin should not expand its military support for the Syrian government. The Russian buildup, Mr. Kerry said in a telephone conversation with Mr. Lavrov, “could further escalate the conflict” and might even “risk confrontation” with the American-led coalition that is conducting airstrikes against the Islamic State in Syria, according to a State Department account of the call.

The United States also sought to impede the Russian buildup. Bulgaria closed its airspace to Russian transport planes at the request of the United States. Iraq, however, did not take any action, which has allowed the Russians to keep delivering weapons and equipment to Syria.

Russia made the next diplomatic move. Seeking to rebut Mr. Kerry’s assertion that the Russian deployment could fuel the Syrian conflict, Mr. Lavrov said last week that the Russian military was prepared to coordinate with the Pentagon to avoid “unintended incidents.” He repeated the offer for military-to-military talks in a telephone conversation with Mr. Kerry on Tuesday.

Outlaw 09

What is interesting is that this General was retired in 2012 in a way that did not make sense in 2012 ==== he had been reluctant to hold the Atlas Vision Russian US peacekeeping exercise in 2012 for the reasons below—seems he was right in 2012.

Ret. Gen. Hertling: “We were beating the drum of #Russia in 2010 & we were told ‘You are still in the Cold War’”

Obama and Kerry simply do not get it—–

[Unverified] Video of Russian soldiers alongside Syrian Army in Latakia, firing their tank http://youtu.be/PlChgcFnGFU

Waiting for the geo tagging verification–but the AK is definitely Russian army issue not used by the Syrian army—-

BTW–the “we” mentioned here was DoD and the WH—–

Outlaw 09

Prior to Putin’s move into Syria there was a stream of social media comments and articles that the US had thrown the Ukraine under the bus in order to get an Iran deal and resolution of the Syrian conflict.

Appears to have been true—US double standard ——

US suspended mil 2 mil talks w Russia over Crimea. Now US lifts suspension after Russia moves into Syria.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/19/world/europe/us-to-begin-military-talks-with-russia-on-syria.html

Could not talk because of the Crimea and the Russian invasion into eastern Ukraine AND suddenly Obama talks to Putin–AND his legacy is not at the center of this sudden shift in US foreign policy?????

Outlaw 09

Maybe readers/commenters here at SWJ should open a “Suggestion Box” for Obama, his entire NSC, his DNI and his DoS as it appears they simply have lost the thread on world affairs as they built a “legacy”.

Just a short sample of one day’s worth of events they had no answers for other than tap dancing, blaming others and this list does not include the 500M USD disaster that it cost to actually deploy into Syria 4 trained anti Assad fighters all the while telling the US society they were doing something against IS.

This list depicts just what soft power “talking” has gotten the US to.

Wait, you mean eroding NATO forces has consequences? “The conclusion was that we are unable to defend the Baltics.” http://foreignpolicy.com/2015/09/18/exclusive-the-pentagon-is-preparing-new-war-plans-for-a-baltic-battle-against-russia/

BTW–the Obama administration is still pulling troops out of Europe while DoD is trying to talk up restationing.

As usual, the #Kremlin is not aware of anything. More vacationers, tourists and volunteers.
http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/a5f5117e-5e03-11e5-a28b-50226830d644.html#axzz3m8cxFNqu

Ayatollah Ali Khamenei’s senior military advisor says Russia is in sync with Iran regarding Syria http://www.criticalthreats.org/iran-news-round-september-18-2015

Syria: #Russia|n selfie soldiers’ locations @ProtestSPb pic.twitter.com/muEs6IpGPK

Russia’s soldiers aren’t only in Latakia & Tartus. Their selfies geolocated to Aleppo, Hama, Homs, Damascus. #Syria https://twitter.com/loogunda/status/644726066012143616

Outlaw 09

Can anyone here at SWJ explain why people outside of DC and the US have a far far clearer understanding of the world around them ?????

REMEMBER Putin stated before Obama “caved” that Assad was willing to negotiate with “reasonable forces” BUT he never defined the word “reasonable” just as he stated Assad would remain for a “transitional period” AGAIN undefined.

BUT when using the word “terrorist” Putin definitely between the lines is openly and publicly defining ANYONE who is anti Assad is a “terrorist”–so who is left that is “reasonable”??????

Heck if we take Putin at his word–then even Obama, his entire NSC, Kerry and the DNI were actually up to the point of “caving” yesterday actually “terrorists” in Putin’s eyes–SO why are they then “caving” and negotiating????

Does anyone in Washington ever fully listen to each and every word Putin and his inner circle utters??

http://www.rferl.org/content/islamic…/27255377.html

Why Putin Wants To Tar IS And All Assad’s Enemies With The Same Brush

By Joanna Paraszczuk

September 18, 2015

Earlier this week, we noted how a pro-Kremlin website claimed the extremist group Islamic State (IS) had sent Chechen militants to Latakia province in Syria.

The report was incorrect — the Chechen group is not part of IS.

But it was almost certainly an intentional obfuscation.

Russia’s conflation of all armed opposition groups with extremist Islamist militants is an integral part of a narrative that has evolved during the Syrian conflict.

Its goals are to keep Syrian President Bashar al-Assad in power, counter the United States, and maintain influence in the Middle East.

The “IS threat” narrative contains several arguments that Moscow puts forward in support of these aims.

1. ‘There Are No ‘Moderate’ Rebels’

According to Moscow, the vast majority of groups fighting Assad are foreign-backed terrorists, not “moderate rebels.”

“The Free Syrian Army does not exist,” Russia’s ambassador to international organizations in Geneva, Aleksei Borodavkin, told the United Nations a year ago, referring to the Western-backed umbrella of moderate rebel forces.

This narrative is partly true. In the north and increasingly the center of Syria, rebel factions are mostly Islamist or Islamist-influenced. Some, like the Al-Nusra Front and the foreign fighter groups, are Salafist-jihadist.

U.S. attempts to bolster moderate rebels have gone awry. The first group to receive U.S. weapons collapsed in March and the United States said this week that there are only “four or five” U.S.-trained rebels fighting IS.

But moderate rebels are still influential in some parts of Syria’s far south, where Jordan’s intelligence services are active.

2. ‘IS Wants To Destroy Syria’

Moscow has warned that IS and other Islamist groups are threatening to turn Syria into a “terror state.”

Therefore, eradicating these groups is more important than ousting Assad, according to Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov.

3. ‘Assad Has To Be Part Of Fight Against IS’

Russia has insisted that Assad must be part of the fight against IS, claiming that Syrian armed forces are “the most effective military force on the ground.”

Meanwhile, Russia has frequently slammed the U.S.-led anti-IS coalition, saying that it is both illegal (because it has not asked Assad’s permission to operate) and ineffective.

4. ‘Rebels Should Unite With Assad Against IS’

Both Russia and Assad argue that the threat posed by Islamic State is so great, rebels should unite with government forces to counter the militants.

On September 16, Assad used an interview with Russian news outlets to call on rebels to stop fighting him and help him defeat IS.

Only then can Syrians work on a political solution to the conflict, Assad explained.

Assad’s call may seem unrealistic. But it is not a new tactic.

Moscow first put forward the idea nearly two years ago.

“Everything must be done to create a battle-worthy alliance of the government and the patriotic opposition against the terrorist interlopers who flock to Syria from around the world,” Lavrov told Russian TV in December 2013.

4. ‘The West Is Responsible For IS’

Both Moscow and Damascus have blamed the West for the rise of IS (and other Islamist groups in Syria), saying that while Washington is quick to say Islamic State is a terror group, it has backed other armed groups against Assad.

In February, Putin said the rise of IS was the result of Western “interference” in Syria as well as “double standards” over who it deemed terrorists.

Assad repeated this narrative in an interview with Russian media this week.

“What are IS and the other groups? A Western extremist project,” the Syrian leader said.

5. ‘Russia’s Military Build Up In Latakia Is To Fight IS’

The claim that Assad is essential to countering the IS threat has provided Russia with an argument for its military buildup in Syria — which is causing increasing alarm from the United States.

“We support the government of Syria in its effort to counter terrorist aggression,” is how Putin explained the Russian military expansion in Latakia at a September 15 security summit in Tajikistan.

The Real Threat To Assad

As Russia continues its military build-up in Syria, it has also stepped up its use of the “IS threat” narrative.

But these moves are only partly about IS.

While Islamic State is a threat, a bigger problem for Assad is the advance of other radical Islamist battalions, particularly Al-Qaeda’s Syrian affiliate — the Al-Nusra Front — and Ahrar al-Sham, one of the most powerful rebel groups in Syria.

Part of the Jaish al-Fatah military operations coalition, Nusra and Ahrar have driven out government forces from almost all of Idlib province.

And they now threaten Latakia, Assad’s coastal stronghold.

But the war is not being fought on the battlefield alone.

Russia’s best chance to save its ally in Damascus could be an agreement with the West that while Assad should go or at least be demoted, most of his regime remains in place.

And the only way to achieve that is by persuading Washington and its allies that this would be the best way to fight IS.

Can this current Administration, NSC, DoS and the DNI be that intellectually weak that they cannot also “see” the world around them??????

Maybe moving them all to Kyiv or say Jordan or say Moldavia might wake them up???

Outlaw 09

Can anyone explain to me just what the entire US government from Obama downwards has actually been smoking the last two days??

The US is to negotiate with Putin over Syria when Putin and his entire government still adamantly states “there ain’t a single Russian soldier in and or fighting in Syria”–and they are still maintaining that lie as of today–AND that in the face of countless Russian military selfies and sat imagery.

So when they reach agreement–what does Russia then ship home imaginary soldiers using paper cutouts???

http://www.interpretermag.com/putin-in-syria-the-russian-soldiers-who-dont-want-to-fight-for-assad/#10066

Russia Repeats Denials Of Troops In Syria Despite Soldiers’ Testimony And Reports From Hama

15:20 (GMT)

The state-owned TASS news agency reports that the Russian Defence Ministry has denied that Russian contract soldiers are being deployed to Syria, following the publication of a Gazeta.ru interview with four soldiers who are refusing to go.

“The Eastern military district is surprised by attempts of correspondents of the online media outlet to link the routine activity of the forces to the events in the Middle East,” the ministry’s press service said.

The relocation of military units as part of combat training events comes only within the Eastern military district and in line with the schedule, it said.

Last night, Reuters reported, citing an unnamed Syrian military source, that government forces are now using new weaponry received from Russia.

“The weapons are highly effective and very accurate, and hit targets precisely,” the source said in response to a question about Russian support. “We can say they are all types of weapons, be it air or ground.”

The source said the army had been trained in the use of the weapons in recent months and was now deploying them, declining to give further details other than saying they were “new types.”

Today, the Russian Federal Security Service (FSB) claimed that around 2,400 Russian citizens were fighting with ISIS in Syria.

The state-owned RIA Novosti news agency reported that Sergei Smirnov, deputy director of the FSB, said (translated by The Interpreter):

“Two thousand, four hundred citizens of the Russian Federation are participating in ‘Islamic State’ criminal gangs, Around three thousand citizens of Central Asian countries, including those in the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation, are also amongst these ranks.”

While the Kremlin may be using the threat of ISIS to provide cover for their military intervention in Syria, there is evidence that the FSB itself has, in fact, aided Russian citizens in travelling to Syria to wage jihad, as The Interpreter’s editor-in-chief, Michael Weiss, wrote in The Daily Beast last month.

Furthermore, there are recent reports from inside Syria that Russian forces are being applied not against ISIS, but towards areas held by Jaysh al-Fateh, a coalition of rebel factions, near Hama.

NOW Lebanon reported on September 15 that Russian troops were reported entering the regime-held city. The article cites an All4Syria report claiming that the Equestrian Club in the south-east of Hama has become “a barracks for Russian nationals.”

Al-Souria Net reported that a large convoy had arrived in Hama on September 14. One activist, Suhaib al-Rahmoun told the news site that he had received information on the arrival of a delegation of Russian officers and advisers, along with the Syrian defence minister, Fahd Jassem al-Frejj, at the Al-Nawair Hotel.

Government troops closed roads to the city centre as as “more than ten buses, accompanied by several trucks loaded with equipment” arrived.

As NOW Lebanon notes, the pro-regime Al-Watan newspaper described the convoy as a consignment of Russian humanitarian aid.

However the Al-Souria Net article describes reports from opposition observers that indicate a much more serious military operation was taking place in the area.

Ronak Housaine translates for The Interpreter:

Observatory 80 which belongs to the Syrian opposition confirmed in a special report for Al-Souria Net that a large military convoy was spotted going out of Hama military airport at 9 pm on Sunday evening [September 13], which is the fourth convoy to have come out of the airport within 48 hours toward Sahil Alghab.

The observatory pinpointed the arrival of the convoy in the town of Salhab in the western Hama countryside and said that it contained 10 tanks, 20 BMPs, 2 “Ash” rocket launchers , five Grad rocket launchers and 70 vehicles of various types transferring army and foreign militias.

The observatory noted leaked information from regime’s side that a huge (Russian-Iranian) military action is being prepared for, combined with the 4th Armoured Division along with the 11th and 18th (of the Syrian army) with very large numbers of National Defence Force elements, to retrieve some areas of Sahil Al Ghab that the regime lost recently to Jaysh al-Fateh.

It is noteworthy that CNN announced yesterday that American satellites had spotted two amphibious Russian vessels docked on the Syrian coast to land more than 100 Russian Marines along with dozens of other vehicles.

Outlaw 09

I keep repeating over and over when commenting on here that the current WH, and DoS foreign policy is basically nothing—their strategy is hope and that is about it and believe me hope has never been a very solid strategic strategy.

Mr. Kerry, hope is not a FP strategy. It’s wish for things to be other than they actually are
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/09/19/us-mideastcrisis-kerrytalks-idUSKCN0RJ0FX20150919

Outlaw 09

Come on–this is getting ridiculous–social media carried the first reporting of this Russian AD system and first photo several days ago AND now US MSM and the DoS Kerry “wake up out of their sleep walking”.

I even posted this on the Syrian war thread —-just how much are we really paying the entire US IC?????

Russia has deployed surface-to-air missiles, planes with air-to-air missiles in #Syria, U.S. says. SA-22 at Latakia. http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/20/world/middleeast/russian-buildup-in-syria-raises-questions-on-role.html?ref=world

THIS is actually embarrassing now……………

Putin positions himself as a pseudo-savior on a white horse, claiming “Obama NEEDS #Russia”
http://ria.ru/world/20150919/1264134004.html … pic.twitter.com/mSehVBJzDi

Outlaw 09

Did the CENTCOM commander appear to “forget something” in his recent Congressional remarks???????????????

From today’s social media side of the open source intel world—-

New batch of 75 #US-trained fighters (Division 30) entered northern #Syria with 12 technical

So who trained them——because the four star never mentioned them?

Outlaw 09

And the use of hard power gets no solutions on the ground in Syria—AND the US could not have found a single group to support in four years????

And the need now for Russian troops and aircraft to be in Syria?????

In the north, ceasefire reached for: Foua; kafraya; Binnish; Taftanaz; Taoum; Maarat Misrin; the city of Idlib; Ram Hamdan; Zardana; Shelikh

A 25-point ceasefire+agreement between Jaish al-Fateh (Nusra included) & Iran has been announced. Agreement is to be overseen by the UN.

More remarkably, the agreement stipulates that the regime will not fly helicopters or planes in those areas including to drop aid. NFZ!!

Outlaw 09

Events in Syria are racing faster than even social media can keep up.

1. ISIS terror group related accounts now sharing pic of “head of 1st russian soldier”. Fairy-tales of Russian propaganda are real in Syria

2. Russian tanker refueling jets over #Homs, #Syria https://youtu.be/6JYEmXJ60Yc

3. Russian cargo plane Ilyushın II 76 – T on #Damascus sky, now. #Syria pic.twitter.com/0cSrHg4JB8

Looks like a Russian Spetsnaz was killed and beheaded if the reporting here is correct.

THERE had been early last week a report of 10 Russian bodies being returned to Crimea but the report was largely ignored.

Russia(n) Special Forces in #Syria in #Zabadani,#Homs,#Hama & #Aleppo https://elijahjm.wordpress.com/2015/09/19/russian-elite-units-on-the-land-of-zabadani-homs-hama-and-aleppo/ … pic.twitter.com/v80szhwNK7

http://www.alraimedia.com/ar/article…20996/nr/syria
Damascus – Elijah J. Magnier:

“Al-Rai” learned that “Special Elite Russian combat forces arrived to Hama, Aleppo, Homs, Damascus, as well as Zabadani to monitor, participate and study the military map on the field and suggest future workflow Combat plans. These Special Forces submit to the operating room suggestions to determine the full plan to start the flow of further Russian special combat forces and troops on the battlefield all over the Syrian map where it is necessary”.

This development will be the largest Russian external military intervention since Afghanistan in 1979.

A very senior field commander around Zabadani city said that “there are small Russian combat units, mostly sniper unit that we call the “Ivan unit”, another reconnaissance unit, a unit of urban warfare, and advanced missiles unit in the area of ​operations run by the Syrian Army. ”

Ivan and Yulia belong to a Russian sniper unit that came recently to Zabadani. At the end of the day, the team left after shooting 4 deadly bullets. “I return to Aleppo where there is more action than Zabadani. Here there isn’t much left”, said Yulia before leaving Zabadani, according to the source.

“Russia is beginning with what we define as a” quiet support ” supplying advanced technology and preparing a spearhead force before reaching a further level we call the” stormy Support “. We expect a large presence of troops that will be supported by Russian Air Force. There are around 2500 Russian fighters, military expert and consultant in Syria. The number is expected to go much higher in the near future “, confirm the source that is in contact with the Russian units on the Syrian ground.

“There are two aspects for the Russian intervention in Syria: In the first, the front line should be reinforced, maintained and is expected later to recover more lands and lost cities. The second is to hunt and bomb the Islamic State (ISIS) group leaders as well as other extremist groups in Syria, without exception. There are no red lines for the Russian operational tactics against terrorism that may extend to Iraq if necessary. The Kremlin has decided to face and fight terrorism by all means and is determine to eliminate, not to contain, ISIS. The Russians are aware of the necessity of cooperation with the U.S. led coalition over the sky of Syria to prevent unnecessarily accidents “, the source said.

The senior commander explained, “Israel and the United States are also concerned about the possibility that Hezbollah could benefit from the advanced Russian military equipment pouring into Syria. As far as it concerns us, Damascus and Hezbollah are strategically linked and share the same destiny. Any sophisticated weapon owned by Syria and Iran that an organized but irregular force, like Hezbollah, can use in case of war against Israel is already in our possession. Israel is raising the alarm by saying that its “national security” could be in jeopardy if Hezbollah has this or that technology or could benefit from Russia’s presence to transport more weapons into Lebanon. Russia’s answer is that its own national security is already in jeopardy due to terrorism expansion. Russia is not fighting a battle but a war on terror on Syrian soil and elsewhere and is present in a hostile environment. Russia will pursue and won’t give up upon in this war, in Syria, regardless any possible international pressure to persuade it otherwise”.

Outlaw 09

Obama and Kerry should reread this comment from below—that is the Russian strategy clear and as concise as one wants it—

There are two aspects for the Russian intervention in Syria: In the first, the front line should be reinforced, maintained and is expected later to recover more lands and lost cities. The second is to hunt and bomb the Islamic State (ISIS) group leaders as well as other extremist groups in Syria, without exception. There are no red lines for the Russian operational tactics against terrorism that may extend to Iraq if necessary. The Kremlin has decided to face and fight terrorism by all means and is determine to eliminate, not to contain, ISIS. The Russians are aware of the necessity of cooperation with the U.S. led coalition over the sky of Syria to prevent unnecessarily accidents “, the source said.

SO now is the US providing air cover and tactical ground support to Russian special forces??????