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Small Wars Journal Interview with Lieutenant General Ben Hodges on NATO Adaptation and the Russian Way of War

Tue, 08/07/2018 - 3:00am

A Tour of Horizon Interview with Lieutenant General Ben Hodges on NATO Adaptation and the Russian Way of Warfare


Octavian Manea


SWJ discussion with retired Lieutenant General Frederick Benjamin (Ben) Hodges, the Pershing Chair in Strategic Studies at the Center for European Policy Analysis (CEPA). He is a former commander of the United States Army Europe (2014-2017). He co-authored (together with Janusz Bugajski and Peter Doran) the report – Securing The Suwałki Corridor: Strategy, Statecraft, Deterrence, and Defense.”


When talking about your legacy in Europe, the freedom of movement – the creation of a military Schengen zone – the infrastructure for mobility is at the core. How/ in what way do these elements boost the deterrence architecture? Where is the Alliance in this effort of building this freedom of movement space?


An aspect that gives me a lot of confidence is the fact that the EU is taking on this military mobility as one of its main projects under PESCO. The EU has the resources to improve infrastructure, it has the authorities and political mechanisms necessary to help improve the cross-border permissions. That is encouraging. Another aspect that makes me optimistic is the fact that both NATO and the EU recognized the importance of this and that they are collaborating on improving it. Several countries have worked very hard, particularly Poland and the Baltic countries, to reduce the amount of time required to get permissions to cross border.


The problems are related to the capacity and capability of the infrastructure. There is not enough rail to move large numbers of NATO forces quickly. I am still not confident that we have a process in place where in a pre-crisis situation there is enough or that sufficient rail cars will be made available in enough quantity to move fast enough to prevent a crisis from happening. Secondly the bridges and the highways network, particularly in Eastern Europe, must be strengthened and improved to allow quicker ground movement.


Why is this infrastructure of mobility important from a deterrence perspective?


We need to think how fast the Russians are moving. We must be able to move as fast or faster than them so that they do not make the mistake of thinking that they could launch an attack of some sort in an area before we could respond. That is why speed is so important to quickly move large formations and a lot of equipment. It is not practical to have troops all along the frontier. It would also appear to be provocative. So, you must assume that NATO countries, including the United States, are going to have normal peace-time trainings and rotations. Any crisis is going to require us to be able to move quickly from the training areas or from the deterrence status in Poland or Romania. It is like during the Cold War. Most of the troops were not on the border, but several hours away in garrisons. You’ve got to practice two type of movements: from the US, Canada, UK, Spain, and Norway as well as troops that are already in Germany, Poland, Romania, and the Baltic states. That is why speed is so important. If the Russians can see that we don’t have the ability to move a lot of equipment and people quickly, I think increases the risk of them making a terrible mistake and then we have a different situation. That is why I am emphasizing speed. To have speed you have to be able to move. That is rail, highways, airports and seaports. To get into Romania; although we already have about 1000 US soldiers and Aegis MD there, and Black Sea air policing; reinforcements have to come from the North and the West over the Carpathians Mountains. If we do not have highways that allow heavy equipment to move over the Carpathians quickly, enough rail to move heavy equipment quickly then I think our deterrence capability in Romania and Bulgaria is not as good as it can be.


The Wales and Warsaw summits were essential for setting up the adaptation of NATO to the post Crimean security environment in Europe. What are the unfinished businesses that we still need to contemplate for developing an effective deterrence architecture on the Eastern Flank? From a Bucharest-Black Sea perspective what we see is a massively imbalanced Eastern Flank with a center of gravity focused on the Baltic ecosystem.


The Alliance has done very well adjusting very quickly to this new security environment. The Wales summit was just 4 years ago and the Warsaw summit 2 years ago. We’ve seen significant changes in the structures, commitments and in the processes of NATO. This is the reason why NATO has been the most successful alliance in the history of the world. It is not only about its commitment to collective defense over so many decades, but also about the ability to adapt.


Having said that, I do believe that NATO needs to think of the Black Sea as a security region, not as a body of water surrounded by different countries. We need to think about the Black Sea in a regional way recognizing that the Russians are using the Black Sea as a power projection base into the Middle East and Mediterranean. We must recognize that we have allies and very close friends (Georgia, Ukraine, and Moldova) that are constantly under pressure from Russia. The Alliance needs to encourage collaboration between the member countries and the partner countries to share intelligence, to do more maritime exercises, to improve missile defense in the region and more exercises where we move across the Black Sea into Georgia or Turkey to make sure we have freedom of movement in the Black Sea and on the ground around it. The Black Sea region is just as important as the Baltic Sea. We’ve done a lot in the Baltic region. I believe the Black Sea region is going to be the key area where Russia will challenge the Alliance over the next 10-15 years and we’ve got to ensure credible deterrence there as well as provide support for our partners in the region.


It might be even more important when you think about what the Black Sea means to the Russians and how they use it to exploit their capabilities and the trouble they are causing in Syria, the pressure they are putting on Georgia, Ukraine and Moldova. The Russians have not lived up to what they are saying they would do in the Minsk process and don’t show any indication of cooperating in Ukraine - so we need to think about what does that mean for Crimea? Does the West and the world recognize territorial boundaries, territorial waters for Russia because of Crimea? We need to be unified on this to make sure that no one takes the eye off the ball in the Black Sea because of the illegal annexation of Crimea and the implications for the Black Sea – waters and what is below the water. Of course, there is another angle involved – what are the implications for the Danube River, the fact that there are so many allies as well as partners through which the Danube River passes, and that Russia is now closer to the mouth of Danube.


The other unfinished business is air and missile defense. I think we must figure out how to encourage Germany and the Netherlands to take more responsibility with missile defense and short-range air defense because of all Unmanned Aerial Vehicles (UAVs) the Russians can put in the air. So, you need that integrated layered air and missile defense. We need to improve the protection of our allies in Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania, we need to improve protection for European citizens that would be within range of the missiles coming out of Kaliningrad – to include Northern Germany, Denmark, Poland, Norway, Finland and Sweden. I think NATO needs a large exercise focused on air and missile defense every year that would enable us to practice coordination and the ability to integrate different kinds of systems into the appropriate levels of command. Germany hosts several cities and facilities (Hamburg, Nuremberg, Ramstein) necessary for rapid reinforcement and transportation that would be within range of the Russians missiles. All these places could be targets. You must protect the facilities that are necessary - seaports and airports and major rail. I do not believe the Russians would ever intend to invade to control territory in Germany. I don’t think that is their interest. What they can do is going into the Baltic states, Poland and Romania to challenge the Alliance and try to demonstrate the Alliance cannot protect its members. That means a short, limited, quick attack - not something that would have been expected back in the ‘80s. Territorial defense, land defense is probably not the priority west of Poland.


On the Eastern Flank one of the original sins of NATO enlargement in the 1990s is the decision not to deploy on a permanent basis significant allied forces on the territory of new members. Such a decision was taken in a very different operational security environment, a highly permissive one from a political point of view as well as from a military point of view. Now we see revisionist behavior and military capabilities that are challenging the very essence of how NATO used to reinforce and deter. Has the time come to fix, adjust the NATO’s Eastern posture on a permanent basis? Do you see a political consensus on this topic in the US and older Europe?


First, maintaining the cohesion of the alliance is the most important thing. We’ve got to maintain that. A decision to permanently station troops in Lithuania, Poland or Romania with families and 2-3 years tours like in Germany should only be made in consultation and with the agreement of all the allies. If the Alliance decides that is helpful and effective in the same way that the Alliance agreed with the deployment of the Enhanced Forward Presence (EFP) battle groups, then I would be more supportive. Poland is a great, reliable, and strong ally and they’ve done so much to contribute to burden sharing. Their offer to host US forces in permanent basing is an example of that. So, I’m not against permanent basing per se…but I am against doing it as a bilateral action between the US and Poland, without the support of the rest of our allies, because I am concerned it would add friction and discord within the alliance. The problem is that some allies think that such a move provokes Russia unnecessarily or raises the risk of a crisis and they see it as a mistake on our part. The move could also create additional friction with allies who are already at odds with each other. Russia will react, without a doubt, and all our allies will have to deal with the consequences, so they should be consulted in this. The EFP was so successful because it had the support of all 29 nations. I think permanent basing, with the support of all 29 nations, would therefore be successful. Meanwhile, if Eastern Europe wants to enhance NATO’s deterrent effect, a potentially divisive military presence is not the right way to do it. Far better to protect the cohesion of the Alliance, while ensuring that trained and ready forces are ready to move in if necessary.


To have permanently stationed troops in Europe, the US Army would have to grow significantly, and I don’t see that happening. I think we can achieve the strategic effect we need to achieve with rotational forces that includes the EFP posture, air policing, the multinational exercises. The US has a continuous presence of rotational troops in Bulgaria, Romania and Poland and has small numbers in Latvia and Lithuania. I would like to see an increase in the infrastructure for logistics from the US side in Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania that would help us with the rapid reinforcement and with the strategic effect of having Americans continuously in all three Baltic countries. We could also preposition ammunition and fuel, those things necessary to enhance speed. I like the idea of having mobile short-range air defense units deployed in all three Baltic countries as some sort of mobile tripwire. This would make it more difficult for Russia to attempt a strike. In addition, we need to continue practicing the movement of Patriot surface-to-air missiles around different countries as we did in the last couple of years. Finally, I think we need to make the conversion from air policing to air defense.


From a problem definition point of view, the fundamental challenge the latest National Defense Strategy identifies is the eroding US military advantage vis-à-vis China and Russia that undermines what is called the American Way of War. What are, from a European theater perspective, the key ingredients developed by the other side designed to offset the American Way of War?


First, the American Way of War relies on allies and coalitions. Foremost, our capability and strength really come in part from this wonderful alliance, from the fact of always having partners that go with us and bring additional capabilities. That is very important. In this context, Russia and China both are constantly looking for ways of splitting that cohesion with disinformation, with cyber, trade - with finding ways of creating friction, tension, and distrust inside the Alliance and EU.


Another aspect of the American Way of War is that we have always relied so much on air power and sea power. Russia and China have developed significant A2/AD capabilities that would limit, at least for a period, our ability to fully employ all our air and sea power potential. They’ve developed military capabilities, systems and doctrines aimed at undermining the American way of projecting power to defend US allies’ interests. Credible air defense layers and anti-ship missiles are part of their asymmetric approach in countering the American Way of War.


Thirdly, at the tactical level, the Russians have worked very hard making improvements in their Electronic Warfare (EW) and UAV capabilities. As an alliance we must be prepared to operate in an environment that is very competitive in terms of cyber and EW threats.


The latest National Security Strategy emphasizes that the key feature of the operational environment is the era of great power (multi-domain) competitions.  Has the US government developed the right whole of government machinery at the theater level to compete across political, economic and military arenas? What about NATO?


I think the improving collaboration between NATO and EU is an important part of that. One is a security alliance, the other one is a political/economic institution. So, you got to have collaboration there to really be able to project a whole of government approach including information, diplomacy and economic tools. Inside the US, it has to start at the top. There are a lot of smart people that understand that, certainly in the US Department of Defense. Secretary Mattis and his staff understand it and all the combatant commanders know this. Frankly, I think that the Department of State does not get enough resources to do its job and that undermines our effort. The Department of State has got to be better resourced to accomplish its tasks. This is an area where there is a wide margin for improvement.


How would you characterize the Russian way of war in Europe - the objectives of the Russian disruptive strategy?


Russia’s strategic objective is to be seen as the great power in Europe. To that, they have to undermine, disrupt, divide, make irrelevant the alliance and undermine the EU. The way they do that with the EU is using energy resources as leverage. The Nord Stream 2 pipeline is causing a lot of tension and friction inside EU member countries and Russia knows this. A fully operational Nord Stream 2 would give Russia much more influence inside European countries. This type of pressure is part of their way of war. I don’t think Russia thinks of themselves at war-not at war. They are constantly in confrontation mode, sometimes it is kinetic with the military, sometime is economic or informational. All these things in combination is how they do this. They don’t need the capability to conquer. To undermine the Alliance, they just need to successfully take a part of an allied country. They still believe they are entitled to buffers, to a sphere of influence - Ukraine, Georgia, Moldova are examples. This is accomplished by making sure these countries cannot join the EU or NATO or by putting an A2/AD bubble near them – in this way they can influence. All these elements are part of Russia’s way of war. We have just to think together, continue adapting and build a strong deterrence.


What should be some of the crucial elements of a potential Area-Access strategy to preserve NATO’s access to the frontline allies?


The alliance is going in this direction. There is a word I keep hearing: coherence. The adaptation initiative that is coming out, including the establishment of a Joint Sustainment and Enabling Command that would be based in Germany that is not only for the reinforcement of Lithuania, but for the entire alliance. I think overall the alliance is looking to be more coherent in all of its planning, capabilities, adaptation initiatives. What it stitches all of this together is infrastructure-rail, highways, pipelines, fiber networks that allow fuel communications and movement. What we need is a framework of infrastructure that provides the alliance the ability to move quickly, provide logistics anywhere is needed. Napoleon had a series of magazines, depos along the realms that he will take during his campaigns. In that way he always had ammunition, equipment in places around Europe that would enable him to maneuver. We need a modern version with a vibrant network, fuel pipelines, improved rail and highways, sea-ports and air fields that would allow us to do this. This network is vital for an area-access strategy. I think that to encourage this, countries should get credit for their 2% GDP if they would build or improve infrastructure that has real military value even if it is dual-use. A pipeline could carry commercial and military fuel. Countries seeking business and commerce could all benefit from improved dual-use rail, roads and bridges. To encourage a country like Germany to do this it should count towards the 2%.


What is your main take away from the latest NATO summit in Brussels? What remains to be done?


There was real substance achieved and delivered leading up to and during the summit. The command adaptation with the two new commands, the 4X30, the continued improvement of cooperation between NATO and the European Union, the continued emphasis on military mobility, the recognition that Georgia is closer to membership. Despite the near complete public focus on the issue of 2% and burden sharing, at the end of the day we still had a commitment by the allies to continue investing in security as well as several other tangible accomplishments. This shows the resilience and adaptability of the alliance and why it will remain the most successful alliance ever.


I think people should start thinking about burden sharing in a more sophisticated way. What does the 2% actually mean? The current metric is useful in a political sort of way, but it is not very useful in a practical operational sense. We need to look at burden sharing in a way that delivers what the Alliance needs. In my view, the Alliance needs improved infrastructure for speed and military mobility, improved air and missile defense - particularly in areas like the wider Black Sea and the Greater Baltic Sea region. The alliance needs to continue working towards coherence of all the operational plans. SACEUR is leading the way here and we made huge progress, but this is an area that needs continued effort to improve the coherence of how the alliance deters. Finally, the alliance needs to continue to focus on overall readiness. The Bundeswehr and other allies have got to improve the level of readiness of their equipment and of their units. Secretary Mattis is always emphasizing readiness. It is in the culture of the US Department of Defense.


The President is completely correct, as were all his predecessors to continue to put pressure on allies to carry more of the load. The allies must provide political leadership inside their own countries explaining why this is important and why it matters. He is right to push that, but I was disappointed to see him continuously publicly humiliate them. I think it is very harmful to the cohesion of the alliance. This is exactly what the President of the Russian Federation wants – to see friction and doubts between allies. When the president put into question Montenegro and American commitment to Article 5, it was the first time in my life I’d ever heard something like that.


The US troops in Germany are not there to protect Germany…they are part of our contribution to the overall collective security and it is also because Germany gives us an access and a power projection platform to do what we must do in Africa and Middle East. Americans need to understand that much of what we get from Germany and Italy doesn’t necessarily fit neatly inside the 2%. Allies should do more, without a doubt - but at the end of the day, firm and positive US leadership is essential to help insure cohesion.


I remain concerned with how NATO deals with the A2/AD domes/bubbles at the fringe of allied territory. On the Eastern Flank we see the emphasis on developing IAMD, on investing in national porcupine postures, while at the Alliance level there is increased focus on multi-domain reinforcement and on increasing speed and readiness. Is this enough? The whole effort seems to favor a deterrence-by-denial posture. What it is missing is the deterrence-by-punishment piece. Shouldn’t this focus be balanced? Shouldn’t we talk also about the right ways to dismantle, neutralize and be able to operate inside a competitor’s access denial bubble? 


Key in countering the A2/AD capabilities that Russia has installed in Kaliningrad and Crimea (and they are also attempting to establish a similar capability in the Arctic, closer to the border with Norway) is to understand that these places are bastions, but they are not impregnable. We need to continue to understand what capabilities they have, what vulnerabilities they have.


We need to emphasize freedom of the seas and freedom of the movement in the Baltic and Black Seas and in the Arctic. The world’s greatest Navy needs to push back against Russian harassment and interference with shipping. We are going to have to improve the air and missile defense protection around both of these regions to be able to neutralize their long-range missile capability. Ultimately solutions will require our own EW capabilities to counter their significant capabilities. It will always be a joint solution between land, air, maritime and cyber forces. Finally, we should continue to highlight what Russia is doing in the information space. The Russians just passed a law acknowledging that Crimea is part of Russia since the time Catherine the Great. What this tells us is that they have no intention of leaving Crimea. The West needs to continue highlight their intransigence and unwillingness to be truthful and honest in their negotiations.

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Octavian Manea was a Fulbright Junior Scholar at Maxwell School of Citizenship and Public Affairs (Syracuse University) where he received an MA in International Relations and a Certificate of Advanced  Studies in Security Studies.